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BrendanD88 
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Yes think most of us are now in agreement on Zlatan being overrated after Terri said there could be a solid case for Zlatan to be “best of the rest” behind Messi and Ronaldo for the best part of decade! Laughable statement.
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Territorial
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sid waddell
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That's all very nice but he had 15 years in which to make an impact at the top level of football in the world, the Champions League knockout stages, and never did Zlatan's long list of clubs, which leads to most of the above statistics, is also not a great reflection on him Generally the really great players have quite long spells at clubs, at least five years anyway, because the clubs are desperate not to lose them, they aren't club hoppers Zlatan's longest spell at a club was four years at PSG/Qatar when he was already past his best Inter Milan let Zlatan go in 2009 and won the Champions League the following year Barcelona won the Champions League in 2009 and 2011 when Zlatan was not with them but did not win it in 2010 when he was there and couldn't fit in That's fairly embarrassing The real top players of the last 20 years have all produced the goods under pressure in the Champions League knockout stages, even if some of them have not won the competition Ruud van Nistelrooy never produced the goods at that level either, so while he was a very good player he could never be ranked as a great Defensively Thiago Silva would have similar question marks over him Messi, Cristiano Ronaldo, Xavi, Iniesta, Ronaldinho, Ronaldo, Zidane, Suarez, Neymar, Gerrard, Bale, Mane, Drogba, Robben, Mueller, Pirlo, Shevchenko, all these guys produced the goods in the knockout stages when needed Even Wayne Rooney did it at that level |
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Had high hoped for him circa 2010/11. Never lived up to the hype or reputation he had at that time. He can tackle and he can pass it well AT TIMES. I've seen him other times pass it terribly. His faults are he hides on the pitch (for us anyway). The amoutn of times I see him either deliberately or subconsciously choose to make himself unavailable for the ball by walking behind an opposition player when he could just as easily choose to show for the ball. He also points his finger at the defenders to pass to some other player than himself. He should be getting on the ball and moving the thing forwards and wanting it himself. Quite different to Roy Keane demanding the defence to 'give me the ball' and turning on it and advancing with it. His personality held him back imo. He's far too shy and does't like the limelight.
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Other players never to have won the CL: Buffon (Parma FC, Juventus) Ballack (1. FC Kaiserslautern, Bayer 04 Leverkusen, FC Bayern München, Chelsea FC) Vieira (Arsenal FC, Juventus, FC Internazional Milano) Nedved (AC Sparta Praha, SS Lazio, Juventus) van Nistelrooy (PSV Eindhoven, Manchester United FC, Real Madrid CF) Thuram (AS Monaco FC, Parma FC, Juventus, FC Barcelona) Cannavaro (Parma FC, FC Internazionale Milano, Juventus, Real Madrid CF) Bergkamp (AFC Ajax, FC Internazionale Milano, Arsenal FC Matthäus (FC Bayern München, FC Internazionale Milano Batistuta (ACF Fiorentina, AS Roma, FC Internazionale Milano) Weah (AS Monaco FC, Paris Saint-Germain, AC Milan) Baggio (AC Milan, FC Internazionale Milano) And imo the greatest No.9 in the last 40 years: Ronaldo (FC Internazionale Milano, Real Madrid CF) Anyhow, vastly overrated, the lot of them. |
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That wasn't his argument. His argument what big moments has Zlatan ever come up with in the knockout stages. Did he ever turn a game?
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But you don't have to have even won the Champions League You just have to properly produce the goods on the highest level Let's go through those players Buffon won the World Cup Ballack dragged Bayer Leverkusen to a Champions League final almost by himself and nearly dragged Germany to win the World Cup in 2002 and 2006, and Euro 2008 Vieira won the World Cup and Euros and reached another World Cup final Nedved was outstanding in 2003 when Juventus reached the Champions League final Van Nistelrooy as I said has a black mark against his name because like Zlatan he never really did it when it counted in either the Champions League or a major international tournament Thuram won the World Cup and a Euros Cannavaro was the best player at the 2006 World Cup, was the winning captain and won the Golden Ball Bergkamp scored one of the greatest goals in history in the dying minutes of a World Cup quarter-final, he did it consistently when it matted for Holland Matthaus is a World Cup winning captain and in my view was the best player at the 1990 World Cup Baggio was outstanding at the 1994 World Cup, in my view the best player at that tournament, he won the UEFA Cup with Juventus when that tournament still mattered and turned then around as a club when they were at a low point Batistuta and Weah were fine players but they didn't really do it when it mattered Ronaldo owned the 2002 World Cup and was obviously one of the great players Zlatan's performances in the real cut throat football that matters do not compare to all but three of the above - van Nisterooy, Batistuta and Weah - and that's around where he is in the pantheon Zlatan has won a load of Serie A titles but Serie A was not the yardstick of old when he played in it, it had declined considerably, it would have been harder not to win it when he played with Juventus and Inter He has won a load of Farmer's league titles with Qatar but they are not taken seriously He had his big chance at Barcelona but couldn't take it, by the latter part of 2009/10 he was well out of favour and ended up being fairly peripheral to their league title His international record is comparable to Robbie Keane's or Wayne Rooney's but we don't consider Robbie Keane as one of the greats on an international scale, we don't even consider Rooney to be one of the greats on an international scale Edited by sid waddell - 06 Oct 2020 at 12:35am |
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Google a player called Maxwell.
Best mate with Zlatan, followed him everywhere. He was once the most decorated player in football history in terms of trophies won yet most have never heard of him. Is he up there with Messi etc based on “stats” ?
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Posted: 06 Oct 2020 at 12:38am |
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I always thought Giggs was overrated.
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Football's greatest bromance Makes James McCarthy and James McArthur look like the couple that hated each other in Father Ted |
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You talk about World Cup exploits etc, but those guys played for Italy, France, Germany, Netherlands etc. Zlatan played for a second rate country, Sweden, so was bound to have it harder. A bit like Messi in fact. I mean, how is he meant to win anything with a mediocre bunch of Argentinean duds? Hugely overrated. |
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I'm not sure Giggs was ever really rated as a great on a European level On a strictly domestic level he was a great He had a total nightmare of a game in the 1999 Champions League final |
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sid waddell
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But these guys have done it at the real top level Zlatan didn't Your whole argument for him is that if he had done more than he did he'd be ranked up there with these guys If I had done what they did so would I It's mad the way people make arguments that players they like were on a level above where they actually were Your Zlatan obsession is getting to be as bad as forum poster Roberto Baggio's obsession with proving non-great David Silver is actually one of the true greats of the game
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I'm not "obsessed" with Zlatan.  But after LM and CR (way out on their own in the modern era), at his peak Zlatan was widely considered to be one of the world's very best players of his generation. And given his record, I personally think that fair enough. |
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Zlatan was a very talented player One of the true greats he is not because he didn't produce the goods when it mattered, in fact he had a long record of not producing Simple as that
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BrendanD88
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Posted: 06 Oct 2020 at 2:20pm |
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Olivier Giroud somehow about to win his 100th International cap tomorrow night.
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I'd actually counter to say he's under rated for the job he does. Also has scored 40 goals in 99 games that's a decent return.
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I read the Zlatan book and Maxwell comes up in a lot. I still don't know he is
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