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I like Clint but he knew what side of his bread was buttered in fairness and he was never going to be capped by England. He was competing with a long long list of available options for England at the time. Just a few to mention - Vassell Heskey Owen Sheringham (ok he was nearly done but ahead of Clint) Beattie Rooney Defoe Crouch Others on the fringes too Andy Johnson etc.
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DeclanDaly
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A friend of mine knew Clint at Palace at the time (and Steven Reid incidentally) and Morrison was always very proud of his Irish heritage and of playing for Ireland. He never pursued an England call up. Same for Reid.
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Green Cockade
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He did make that memorable ' come and get me ' plea to Sven Goran Eriksson in 1979 as a cocky flamboyant young loudmouth in his first season in the top flight but England had as indicated many other options, unlike ourselves. He watered that down a month later by expressing a desire to play for ' England or Ireland' and his agent said that he had 'a great desire to play international football' and would 'even consider an offer of an under-21 cap.' Mick McCarthy was pissed off with his attitude but got to like him when he was brought into the squad, though he did not play him in the World Cup. Like other careerists before and after, he did assimilate quickly and the Ireland fans took to him. He did make one famous gaffe as a pundit in 2017 when he referred to an Ireland v Wales qualifier as a contest between 'two British teams' but he did apologise promptly for that one when advised of the error of his ways.
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McG
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That's absolutely fine but i am sure he knew his own ability and knew it wasnt going to happen.
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This thread has turned into a bit of a nonstarter.
His mother mentioned an Irish relative and now we are looking for him to declare? A brief footnote on the eligibility thread was all that was needed
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DeclanDaly
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Yeah, this doesn’t need its own thread
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Nialler's jack-off to the possibility of Philips declaring for Ireland wouldn't have been satisfied as a footnote in the eligibility thread
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That is exactly what it was. A jack off for the craic. |
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Clark had been in to Under-21 age group a year before he declared and not been picked 2009-2010 season so he wasn't rejecting England to play for us. They just weren't picking him even in his own age group let alone at full level. I'm sure you know better though!
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https://www.irishtimes.com/news/palace-striker-commits-to-republic-1.384778
Clinton Morrison today pledged his international future to the Republic of Ireland after receiving his Irish passport. The Crystal Palace striker obtained his passport in time to be called into Don Givens's panel for the two European Under-21 Championship qualifiers against Portugal and Estonia on June 1st and 5th. A FAI statement read: "Clinton Morrison has been called into the Under-21 squad for the European Championship games against Portugal and Estonia. "Morrison, who qualifies for the Republic as his Irish grandmother Mary is from Dublin, has succeeded in obtaining an Irish passport in time. "Morrison, who also had claims to play for Jamaica and England, has decided he wants to declare for the Republic. "Senior team manager Mick McCarthy was happy the player had taken this decision." The 22-year-old striker was given an opportunity to commit to the Republic in time for the Denmark game in February, which was postponed because of snow. He declined, saying he wanted to see if England manager Sven-Goran Eriksson would consider selecting him for the country of his birth. McCarthy said: "I am delighted Clinton has decided to row in with us. I know he had been trying to obtain an Irish passport for some time and I am delighted he is now in a position to say that it has been processed and he is clear to play for the Republic." |
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Conan
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Sven must have been devastated he didn't hold out longer ... the missing ingredient for the golden generation
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Cyrus Christie is also on record as saying that he wasn't good enough for England, hence he played for us . Ciaran Clark, Colum Robinson and others would likewise have taken a pragmatic attitude untroubled by any notions of Irish patriotic fervour. As long as these guys do their best in the green shirt, I will never carp about such things. I will reserve my odium for the likes of Grealish, Rice and Bamford who have pissed about and done so for purely selfish reasons. I also support our own brand of pragmatism, e.g. capping good young players with other options early, as Wales have done. Michael Obafemi was a good start and Kenny will know when to act with others coming through.
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tetsujin1979
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I'd be interesting in seeing this record of Christie's
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https://www.the42.ie/cyrus-christie-republic-of-ireland-1774306-Nov2014/ Speaking after Ireland training earlier today, Christie,
who qualifies for Ireland through his Clontarf-born
grandmother, mentioned how he had been approached by his native country
but that the opportunity of more game-time with Ireland as well as the
personal touch of the team’s manager ensured it was a pretty
straight-forward decision to make. The England U21s were in touch as well but for me the Republic of
Ireland was the better option. They’ve not got many right-backs here so
that was the main thing but the manager getting in touch with me –
that’s always a pleasing aspect. There are more opportunities and
they’ve got a good team here and the manager getting in touch with me –
that was more of a selling point as well.”
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kevincronin2000
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https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/12290207/leeds-kalvin-phillips-jamaica-england-gareth-southgate/?utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=sunfootballfacebook020820&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1596377326
For anyone who doesn't want to open a link from the Scum it says Jamaica have made a move on him. Edited by kevincronin2000 - 04 Aug 2020 at 5:36pm |
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The O'Shea
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He still turned down an England underage call up in favour of us. The claim was that no player has ever done that, but the reality is that quite a few have. Does the fact that Morrison may have hesitated for a few months mean he didn't want to play for Ireland, even though the record very clearly shows that he chose Ireland in preference to other alternatives? Going by that logic, you could argue that Rice and Grealish didn't really want to play for England, because they both mulled over their decisions for a period of time too before eventually settling on who to throw their lot in with....
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The O'Shea
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Clark played for the England U-20's in 2010; he declared for us in September 2010. I'd call that very recent. He was also a 20 year old defender playing regularly in the Premier League at the time, I'd say his prospects of an England call up at some stage were looking very bright in 2010. Clearly, this was not a guy in his late 20's making a "pragmatic decision", this was a promising young footballer who decided his preference was to play for the country of his parents.
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He last played for England under-20 August 2009, they played ten or more matches at under-21 level since then for 88/89 and younger age group and he wasn't picked once with guys like Smalling ahead of him. He had barely played a couple of matches for Aston Villa. There was no way he was headed for a career with England, hence the switch. If he was captaining their under-21 squad at the time and pulled out to declare for Ireland maybe you could make a case for it.
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