Kalvin Philips
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Topic: Kalvin Philips
Posted By: Nialler
Subject: Kalvin Philips
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2020 at 7:26pm
Kalvin Philips has Irish roots. Confirmed by his mother on Twitter. Jamaica trying to persuade him to declare for them. Ehh I wouldn't usually be one to beg but I think it would be hilarious after losing out on Rice to get a better DM instead  He could be dangling carrot for England but honestly as leeds fan I absolutely love KP
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Posted By: DeclanDaly
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2020 at 7:53pm
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Do you have a link? ------------- You asked if I'd be anyone from history, fact or fiction, dead or alive: I said "I'd be Tony Cascarino, circa 1995" |
Posted By: howieb
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2020 at 7:58pm
Is he better than Declan Rice ?
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Nialler wrote:Posted By: Scissors Kick
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2020 at 8:01pm
Few articles about his dual Jamaican/English status, but no mention of Ireland. Hardly worth a thread of his own at this stage, it reads purely as levering England to me, much as Wilson did and that worked
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Posted By: The O'Shea
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2020 at 8:04pm
He's over 3 years older than Rice and has only ever played in the Championship thus far, perhaps a bit of a stretch to suggest he's better. In any case, if he is eligible then he's one we've missed out on, because there's not a hope in hell he'll be declaring with Leeeds just having been promoted. ------------- We're decent enough.. |
Posted By: The O'Shea
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2020 at 8:06pm
I don't think Wilson ever claimed to be eligible for Ireland, O'Neill just suggested he might be. In fact I believe Wilson was actually the one who subsequently confirmed he had no Irish links. ------------- We're decent enough.. |
Posted By: MC Hammered
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2020 at 9:20pm
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KP is quality. Can’t see him playing for us but he would be an upgrade on what’s currently there ------------- El Puto Amo |
Posted By: Nialler
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2020 at 9:25pm
https://mobile.twitter.com/McQueirns/status/1289938678589149191" rel="nofollow - https://mobile.twitter.com/McQueirns/status/1289938678589149191 He is Jamaican on his dads side so must be his mum maybe. No doubt he is more English or Jamaican and he is very close to a call u in the next year. And yes I think he is better than Rice. Stating that as an opinion and not a fact. 1 year or 2 of prem football and under Bielsa and he takes Rice's place who I just dont rate. England is short on DM's so I suspect he will be capped very soon.
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Posted By: Roberto Baggio
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2020 at 9:25pm
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Can't find anything on twitter about him being irish he's also not better than Rice
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Posted By: DeclanDaly
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2020 at 9:32pm
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Nope. Next. ------------- You asked if I'd be anyone from history, fact or fiction, dead or alive: I said "I'd be Tony Cascarino, circa 1995" |
Posted By: gazurtoids
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2020 at 10:04pm
He's better, a class better ....far more mobile than Rice |
Posted By: grannyrule
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2020 at 11:22pm
If he is in fact eligible then I agree with you. He is a very good player though. ------------- The only way is up |
Posted By: Roberto Baggio
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2020 at 11:26pm
| What’s a desperate thread |
Posted By: doherty
Date Posted: 03 Aug 2020 at 12:57am
Exactly. I'd never heard if him till now. I think we will be ok.
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Posted By: Nialler
Date Posted: 03 Aug 2020 at 1:57am
Calm down lad it was half in jest. It's silly season
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Posted By: DeclanDaly
Date Posted: 03 Aug 2020 at 9:09pm
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So according to Kalvin’s mum he does have an Irish grandparent. So, legitimately eligible it seems https://twitter.com/LindsayCrosby1/status/1290176694536605696?s=20" rel="nofollow - https://twitter.com/LindsayCrosby1/status/1290176694536605696?s=20 ------------- You asked if I'd be anyone from history, fact or fiction, dead or alive: I said "I'd be Tony Cascarino, circa 1995" |
Posted By: MC Hammered
Date Posted: 03 Aug 2020 at 9:25pm
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I’d imagine he’ll be in an England squad soon. Hypothetically, if he did declare for us then he would certainly suit Kennys style of play ------------- El Puto Amo |
Posted By: Cabra Hoop
Date Posted: 03 Aug 2020 at 9:42pm
------------- " BFC always gives me a laugh........ " |
Posted By: Olaf
Date Posted: 03 Aug 2020 at 10:19pm
He's a possible one cap wonder for England. It's criminal Ireland didn't figure out his nationality links earlier however. ------------- Some people are worth melting for. |
Posted By: Conan
Date Posted: 03 Aug 2020 at 11:01pm
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I think its almost inconceivable the FAI didn't know he is Irish qualified. Its the one and only thing they are good at.
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Posted By: JoxerDaly
Date Posted: 03 Aug 2020 at 11:17pm
| Is he even eligible though, his ma said he had Irish connections so could mean sweet FA in grand scheme of things. Anyway we have plenty of homegrown talent coming through no need to be worrying about someone who probably isnt qualified and more than likley isnt intrested. |
Posted By: mully_85
Date Posted: 03 Aug 2020 at 11:38pm
| his mum tweeted yes to a question whether he had Irish granparents |
Posted By: JoxerDaly
Date Posted: 03 Aug 2020 at 11:45pm
| Did she though becaise the tweet I saw didnt say that it just asked had he any Irish roots to which his Ma replied he does actually, no specifics at all. |
Posted By: DeclanDaly
Date Posted: 03 Aug 2020 at 11:54pm
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There was a second tweet asking if he had Irish grandparents. He apparently does. I don’t think he’ll play for us either way ------------- You asked if I'd be anyone from history, fact or fiction, dead or alive: I said "I'd be Tony Cascarino, circa 1995" |
Posted By: Denis Irwin
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2020 at 12:19am
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Was there an actual need to create a thread for this given there's an eligible players thread it could have been thrown into. ------------- Eamonn Dunphy:"I'll tell you who wrote it, Rod Liddle, he's the guy who ran away and left his wife for a young one". Bill O'Herlihy: Ah ye can't be saying that now Eamonn |
Posted By: NewtNewbie
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2020 at 12:23am
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Won't play for us. A waste of a thread. And we all know the internet only has a finite amount of space. Irresponsible.
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Posted By: DeclanDaly
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2020 at 12:41am
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lol ------------- You asked if I'd be anyone from history, fact or fiction, dead or alive: I said "I'd be Tony Cascarino, circa 1995" |
Posted By: tetsujin1979
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2020 at 1:17am
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Posted By: Conan
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2020 at 2:27am
| No way......England just stopped picking him |
Posted By: Forevergreen90
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2020 at 8:17am
[/QUOTE Michael obafemi
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Posted By: tetsujin1979
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2020 at 9:20am
Played at every underage level for England, and captained the U20 side. ------------- All goals, red & yellow cards posted on https://mastodon.ie/@irish_abroad" rel="nofollow - mastodon and https://www.facebook.com/irishfootballstatisics" rel="nofollow - facebook |
Posted By: gazurtoids
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2020 at 10:14am
I doubt she's clued up on International qualification rules......could be a case she has a grandparent who is Irish so technically he has an Irish grandparent but not enough to meet the criteria |
Posted By: Adobolo
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2020 at 10:36am
| yes it is once he has not played at any level for England. |
Posted By: The O'Shea
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2020 at 11:07am
He had very recently been playing for the England U-20 side when he declared for Ireland alright. Cyrus Christie also turned down an England U-21 call up to play for us. Further in the past you also had the likes of Kilbane, McAteer, and Clinton Morrison turning down England underage call ups too in favour of lining out for us. ------------- We're decent enough.. |
Posted By: Green Cockade
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2020 at 12:30pm
| Clinton Morrison was very keen to play for England at one time and that didn't go down well initially. He did subsequently commit and fit in well for and became popular with the fans but I doubt if he would conceivably have turned down an England cap. |
Posted By: The O'Shea
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2020 at 12:56pm
Well believe it, because as I've literally just said, he turned England down in favour of representing us. That hardly tallies with you claim that he was "very keen to play for England at one time" considering he was lining out for us as a 21 year old?
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Posted By: McG
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2020 at 1:10pm
I like Clint but he knew what side of his bread was buttered in fairness and he was never going to be capped by England. He was competing with a long long list of available options for England at the time. Just a few to mention - Vassell Heskey Owen Sheringham (ok he was nearly done but ahead of Clint) Beattie Rooney Defoe Crouch Others on the fringes too Andy Johnson etc. ------------- YBIG Table Quiz winner 2016 & 2017 AS YOU WERE McGx |
Posted By: DeclanDaly
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2020 at 1:37pm
A friend of mine knew Clint at Palace at the time (and Steven Reid incidentally) and Morrison was always very proud of his Irish heritage and of playing for Ireland. He never pursued an England call up. Same for Reid. ------------- You asked if I'd be anyone from history, fact or fiction, dead or alive: I said "I'd be Tony Cascarino, circa 1995" |
Posted By: Green Cockade
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2020 at 1:37pm
| He did make that memorable ' come and get me ' plea to Sven Goran Eriksson in 1979 as a cocky flamboyant young loudmouth in his first season in the top flight but England had as indicated many other options, unlike ourselves. He watered that down a month later by expressing a desire to play for ' England or Ireland' and his agent said that he had 'a great desire to play international football' and would 'even consider an offer of an under-21 cap.' Mick McCarthy was pissed off with his attitude but got to like him when he was brought into the squad, though he did not play him in the World Cup. Like other careerists before and after, he did assimilate quickly and the Ireland fans took to him. He did make one famous gaffe as a pundit in 2017 when he referred to an Ireland v Wales qualifier as a contest between 'two British teams' but he did apologise promptly for that one when advised of the error of his ways. |
Posted By: McG
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2020 at 1:41pm
That's absolutely fine but i am sure he knew his own ability and knew it wasnt going to happen. ------------- YBIG Table Quiz winner 2016 & 2017 AS YOU WERE McGx |
Posted By: Left foot
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2020 at 1:47pm
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This thread has turned into a bit of a nonstarter. His mother mentioned an Irish relative and now we are looking for him to declare? A brief footnote on the eligibility thread was all that was needed
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Posted By: DeclanDaly
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2020 at 2:04pm
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Yeah, this doesn’t need its own thread ------------- You asked if I'd be anyone from history, fact or fiction, dead or alive: I said "I'd be Tony Cascarino, circa 1995" |
Posted By: t_rAndy
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2020 at 2:10pm
| Nialler's jack-off to the possibility of Philips declaring for Ireland wouldn't have been satisfied as a footnote in the eligibility thread |
Posted By: Nialler
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2020 at 3:14pm
That is exactly what it was. A jack off for the craic. |
Posted By: Conan
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2020 at 3:29pm
Clark had been in to Under-21 age group a year before he declared and not been picked 2009-2010 season so he wasn't rejecting England to play for us. They just weren't picking him even in his own age group let alone at full level. I'm sure you know better though!
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Posted By: Yoco Santos
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2020 at 3:36pm
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https://www.irishtimes.com/news/palace-striker-commits-to-republic-1.384778" rel="nofollow - https://www.irishtimes.com/news/palace-striker-commits-to-republic-1.384778 Clinton Morrison today pledged his international future to the Republic of Ireland after receiving his Irish passport. The Crystal Palace striker obtained his passport in time to be called into Don Givens's panel for the two European Under-21 Championship qualifiers against Portugal and Estonia on June 1st and 5th. A FAI statement read: "Clinton Morrison has been called into the Under-21 squad for the European Championship games against Portugal and Estonia. "Morrison, who qualifies for the Republic as his Irish grandmother Mary is from Dublin, has succeeded in obtaining an Irish passport in time. "Morrison, who also had claims to play for Jamaica and England, has decided he wants to declare for the Republic. "Senior team manager Mick McCarthy was happy the player had taken this decision." The 22-year-old striker was given an opportunity to commit to the Republic in time for the Denmark game in February, which was postponed because of snow. He declined, saying he wanted to see if England manager Sven-Goran Eriksson would consider selecting him for the country of his birth. McCarthy said: "I am delighted Clinton has decided to row in with us. I know he had been trying to obtain an Irish passport for some time and I am delighted he is now in a position to say that it has been processed and he is clear to play for the Republic." |
Posted By: Conan
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2020 at 3:44pm
| Sven must have been devastated he didn't hold out longer ... the missing ingredient for the golden generation |
Posted By: Green Cockade
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2020 at 4:02pm
| Cyrus Christie is also on record as saying that he wasn't good enough for England, hence he played for us . Ciaran Clark, Colum Robinson and others would likewise have taken a pragmatic attitude untroubled by any notions of Irish patriotic fervour. As long as these guys do their best in the green shirt, I will never carp about such things. I will reserve my odium for the likes of Grealish, Rice and Bamford who have pissed about and done so for purely selfish reasons. I also support our own brand of pragmatism, e.g. capping good young players with other options early, as Wales have done. Michael Obafemi was a good start and Kenny will know when to act with others coming through. |
Posted By: tetsujin1979
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2020 at 4:52pm
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I'd be interesting in seeing this record of Christie's ------------- All goals, red & yellow cards posted on https://mastodon.ie/@irish_abroad" rel="nofollow - mastodon and https://www.facebook.com/irishfootballstatisics" rel="nofollow - facebook |
Posted By: Hotlips_Hoolahan
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2020 at 5:27pm
https://www.the42.ie/cyrus-christie-republic-of-ireland-1774306-Nov2014/ Speaking after Ireland training earlier today, Christie,
who qualifies for Ireland through his Clontarf-born
grandmother, mentioned how he had been approached by his native country
but that the opportunity of more game-time with Ireland as well as the
personal touch of the team’s manager ensured it was a pretty
straight-forward decision to make. The England U21s were in touch as well but for me the Republic of
Ireland was the better option. They’ve not got many right-backs here so
that was the main thing but the manager getting in touch with me –
that’s always a pleasing aspect. There are more opportunities and
they’ve got a good team here and the manager getting in touch with me –
that was more of a selling point as well.”
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Posted By: kevincronin2000
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2020 at 5:34pm
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https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/12290207/leeds-kalvin-phillips-jamaica-england-gareth-southgate/?utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=sunfootballfacebook020820&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1596377326" rel="nofollow - https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/12290207/leeds-kalvin-phillips-jamaica-england-gareth-southgate/?utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=sunfootballfacebook020820&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1596377326
For anyone who doesn't want to open a link from the Scum it says Jamaica have made a move on him. ------------- time is the stuff that life is made of, don't waste it. |
Posted By: The O'Shea
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2020 at 5:34pm
He still turned down an England underage call up in favour of us. The claim was that no player has ever done that, but the reality is that quite a few have. Does the fact that Morrison may have hesitated for a few months mean he didn't want to play for Ireland, even though the record very clearly shows that he chose Ireland in preference to other alternatives? Going by that logic, you could argue that Rice and Grealish didn't really want to play for England, because they both mulled over their decisions for a period of time too before eventually settling on who to throw their lot in with.... ------------- We're decent enough.. |
Posted By: The O'Shea
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2020 at 5:41pm
Clark played for the England U-20's in 2010; he declared for us in September 2010. I'd call that very recent. He was also a 20 year old defender playing regularly in the Premier League at the time, I'd say his prospects of an England call up at some stage were looking very bright in 2010. Clearly, this was not a guy in his late 20's making a "pragmatic decision", this was a promising young footballer who decided his preference was to play for the country of his parents. ------------- We're decent enough.. |
Posted By: Conan
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2020 at 6:12pm
| He last played for England under-20 August 2009, they played ten or more matches at under-21 level since then for 88/89 and younger age group and he wasn't picked once with guys like Smalling ahead of him. He had barely played a couple of matches for Aston Villa. There was no way he was headed for a career with England, hence the switch. If he was captaining their under-21 squad at the time and pulled out to declare for Ireland maybe you could make a case for it. |
Posted By: gazurtoids
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2020 at 6:48pm
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And here's what you could have won....not better than Declan Rice? lovely player https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=60&v=_BPbuII-xQ0&feature=emb_logo |
Posted By: Conan
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2020 at 6:57pm
| Seems to be spending most the time on that pinging long balls. We've got Shane Duffy for that job, only difference is the ball not ending up in the crowd. |
Posted By: Left foot
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2020 at 6:59pm
I'll be honest.... poor man's Glenn Whelan
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Posted By: zizu Kilbane
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2020 at 7:04pm
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4 pages on a lad thats probably not eligible for us. Sweet devine ------------- "Sometimes, sh*t happens, someone's gotta deal with it, and who ya gonna call?" |
Posted By: Denis Irwin
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2020 at 7:06pm
Incredible. All because of something his mother said on twitter. Something which could easily have been thrown into the eligible thread ------------- Eamonn Dunphy:"I'll tell you who wrote it, Rod Liddle, he's the guy who ran away and left his wife for a young one". Bill O'Herlihy: Ah ye can't be saying that now Eamonn |
Posted By: Conan
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2020 at 7:07pm
| Were you around for the Kevin Nolan thread? Think we got it up to a thousand! |
Posted By: Drumcondra 69er
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2020 at 7:41pm
Just ignore the thread ffs. Utterly baffles me how precious people get about threads on here. Just waiting for people to start howling that it has to be moved into ROTW. And seeing as his mother says he had an Irish grandparent then he's eligible much as it's extremely unlikely he'll declare. ------------- Blog: http://afalsefirstxi.blogspot.ie/" rel="nofollow - A False First XI Twitter: @afalsefirstxi Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/afalsefirstxi/" rel="nofollow - A False First XI |
Posted By: Scissors Kick
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2020 at 3:50pm
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Named in the England squad. Good agent there
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