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The results of that survey are available below for those interested.


Supporters have mixed views on how the League of Ireland should proceed in 2020 but are supportive of measures to help their clubs through the Covid-19 pandemic, a new survey by the Irish Supporters Network (ISN) has found.

Asked if they support ‘Behind Closed Doors’ for the League, 52.7% of participants said they were in favour with 47.3% against the idea. Feedback from individual supporters on this specific question included statements of support for their club’s long-term viability as well as a desire for supporters’ well being, both physical and mental, to be acknowledged and recognised in discussions.

Asked how supporters should be kept involved if closed games do proceed, a third (33.5%) of respondents stated a preference for a Fully Paid streaming service where everyone pays a fee followed by a service that would be available free to certain groups within the supporter base i.e. season ticket holders or club members (31.1%). A total of 27.3% stated a preference for the option: If it’s not safe for supporters, it’s not safe for anyone else. Just 8.7% of people stated a preference for a lottery-type system that would allow some fans to attend in small numbers while socially distancing inside the ground.

Asked if they would support measures to not allow away fans in grounds until social distancing measures are lifted, 65% of people were in favour, with 35% against.

An overwhelming majority of respondents were in favour of supporters being involved with the ongoing planning and discussions being held regularly at a national level – 81.5% saying fans should be involved, with 18.5% saying otherwise.

Demonstrating their understanding of how precarious finances are for many clubs at the moment, a majority of participants (58.7%) stated a preference for some level of consideration for their 2021 season ticket renewal as the top remedy in the event of Closed Games going ahead. Second was an exclusive club event for season ticket holders (21.3%), 17.6% said they would be satisfied with a voucher or other non-monetary compensation while 16.4% of respondents believe an option for a partial refund is needed.

Finally, when asked if their club had engaged with supporters on this topic, 63.8% said No with 36.2% saying Yes. Again, feedback included sympathy that clubs are also working in unchartered territory at present alongside a desire to be included and acknowledged.

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The findings of the survey reflect the ongoing discussion and debate seen right across the league at the moment – confusion, uncertainty, anxiety for the future. Supporters are key stakeholders in the League of Ireland and our clubs, literally, would not survive without the financial and volunteering contributions made right throughout the year and not just at grounds on match night.

ISN is fully supportive of efforts to try and find the safest way back to playing football but we would like to see discussion and planning around a pathway for supporters to return to grounds in due course alongside the other considerations being worked through by clubs, the PFAI and the FAI at present. If League of Ireland fixtures become something supporters are excluded from – for whatever reason – without any consultation, the ‘loss of habit’ could have a permanent and devastating effect. And that’s something no one wants to see.

The full survey results can be downloaded Behind Closed Door findings.

ISN wishes to highlight and acknowledge the support of our fellow supporters’ organisations – CRISC and YBIG Mandate – in sharing the survey. All three groups have continued to work together to improve the experiences of all supporters in Irish football since being included on FAI Council for the first time last summer.

For further information, contact: info@irishsupportersnetwork.ie

Background:  The Irish Supporters Network (ISN) first came together in 2013 as a way for League of Ireland supporters and supporter-owned clubs to cooperate. Founded as a federal cooperative in 2016, it advocates for community ownership and supporter involvement in Irish football. Since May 2019, it has worked closely with CRISC and YBIG Mandate on topics that affect all supporters in Irish Football.

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Rumours from today’s meeting don’t sound good at all. We’ll be lucky to see league football this calendar year 
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So basically the FAI's financial plan to get the league going is for the Euro clubs to give up 100k each.
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Niall Quinn is an absolute spoofer

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Originally posted by Shoco Shoco wrote:

So basically the FAI's financial plan to get the league going is for the Euro clubs to give up 100k each.
Joke shop.

Niall Quinn is an absolute spoofer

The place was on the brink before Covid. None of the normal income streams such as TV money and decent prize money were ever in place for the league. Plus the solidarity money has already been cashed in  and spent by JD. 

UEFA and government already provided more money to keep the lights on back in January before the shutters came down. Hard to see how this moves forward when the majority of clubs don't want to play behind closed doors and can't afford to. Where do you see the money coming from? Can't just pluck it out of thin air. Broke clubs, broke association and UEFA and the government facing an unprecedented crisis. 
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Originally posted by Drumcondra 69er Drumcondra 69er wrote:

Originally posted by Shoco Shoco wrote:

So basically the FAI's financial plan to get the league going is for the Euro clubs to give up 100k each.
Joke shop.

Niall Quinn is an absolute spoofer

The place was on the brink before Covid. None of the normal income streams such as TV money and decent prize money were ever in place for the league. Plus the solidarity money has already been cashed in  and spent by JD. 

UEFA and government already provided more money to keep the lights on back in January before the shutters came down. Hard to see how this moves forward when the majority of clubs don't want to play behind closed doors and can't afford to. Where do you see the money coming from? Can't just pluck it out of thin air. Broke clubs, broke association and UEFA and the government facing an unprecedented crisis. 

If the LOI does not start back up then its finished, many clubs will never return.

Say goodbye to a National Team for a while

The FAI are still a shambles from top to bottom 
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Good honest post Drumcondra69er and it's a reality. I would have a fair idea of what's going on and for now fai at absolute rock bottom finance wise with no funds coming in.
Niall Quinn means well and ye he is bluffing a bit hoping fifa give funds soon but it's only a gloss over. COVID couldn't have came at a worse time for fai or LOI. Just as season starts ! And dont be under any illusion that the top four clubs are financially safe either.
My feeling is that a government loan will be made available to LOI but if the FAI old guard hang in then ????


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Originally posted by Drumcondra 69er Drumcondra 69er wrote:

Originally posted by Shoco Shoco wrote:

So basically the FAI's financial plan to get the league going is for the Euro clubs to give up 100k each.
Joke shop.

Niall Quinn is an absolute spoofer

The place was on the brink before Covid. None of the normal income streams such as TV money and decent prize money were ever in place for the league. Plus the solidarity money has already been cashed in  and spent by JD. 

UEFA and government already provided more money to keep the lights on back in January before the shutters came down. Hard to see how this moves forward when the majority of clubs don't want to play behind closed doors and can't afford to. Where do you see the money coming from? Can't just pluck it out of thin air. Broke clubs, broke association and UEFA and the government facing an unprecedented crisis. 


None of which is the fault of the European clubs. How can they even give 100k when there is no time line for next season qualifiers? When will the clubs be receive the money for next seasons qualifiers?

Has your Bohs got 100k lying around to give away?

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Originally posted by Shoco Shoco wrote:

So basically the FAI's financial plan to get the league going is for the Euro clubs to give up 100k each.
Joke shop.

Niall Quinn is an absolute spoofer
What would you do if you were in Quinns shoes now in regard a financial plan? The Fai needed a bail out before he even got the job it is hardly afloat with cash atm that he can magically throw at clubs to get the league underway. It’s current state is down to years of negligence under Delaney and we are still seeing the full effects of his reign. If the 4.5 million wasn’t already drawn down by Delaney previously then the league would be back up and running.
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Originally posted by Shoco Shoco wrote:

Originally posted by Drumcondra 69er Drumcondra 69er wrote:

Originally posted by Shoco Shoco wrote:

So basically the FAI's financial plan to get the league going is for the Euro clubs to give up 100k each.
Joke shop.

Niall Quinn is an absolute spoofer

The place was on the brink before Covid. None of the normal income streams such as TV money and decent prize money were ever in place for the league. Plus the solidarity money has already been cashed in  and spent by JD. 

UEFA and government already provided more money to keep the lights on back in January before the shutters came down. Hard to see how this moves forward when the majority of clubs don't want to play behind closed doors and can't afford to. Where do you see the money coming from? Can't just pluck it out of thin air. Broke clubs, broke association and UEFA and the government facing an unprecedented crisis. 


None of which is the fault of the European clubs. How can they even give 100k when there is no time line for next season qualifiers? When will the clubs be receive the money for next seasons qualifiers?

Has your Bohs got 100k lying around to give away?

I'm not suggesting that's the solution. I don't know what is. There was €4.3m of UEFA  emergency money from the hat-trick fund supposed to be coming in only it was discovered JD had already cashed it in. That's the root of the problem here. I wish there was a money tree we could shake. There was due to be an injection of cash into the association once the Euros happened whether we qualified or not. That's gone for a year. There were supposed to be a number of internationals from Sept through autumn. Gone as well. Where do you suggest the money comes from? I'm out of ideas. Only 5 clubs want to play, that's down to the clubs. It's a perfect storm and very worrying. 


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Originally posted by Drumcondra 69er Drumcondra 69er wrote:

Originally posted by Shoco Shoco wrote:

Originally posted by Drumcondra 69er Drumcondra 69er wrote:

Originally posted by Shoco Shoco wrote:

So basically the FAI's financial plan to get the league going is for the Euro clubs to give up 100k each.
Joke shop.

Niall Quinn is an absolute spoofer

The place was on the brink before Covid. None of the normal income streams such as TV money and decent prize money were ever in place for the league. Plus the solidarity money has already been cashed in  and spent by JD. 

UEFA and government already provided more money to keep the lights on back in January before the shutters came down. Hard to see how this moves forward when the majority of clubs don't want to play behind closed doors and can't afford to. Where do you see the money coming from? Can't just pluck it out of thin air. Broke clubs, broke association and UEFA and the government facing an unprecedented crisis. 


None of which is the fault of the European clubs. How can they even give 100k when there is no time line for next season qualifiers? When will the clubs be receive the money for next seasons qualifiers?

Has your Bohs got 100k lying around to give away?

I'm not suggesting that's the solution. I don't know what is. There was €4.3m of UEFA  emergency money from the hat-trick fund supposed to be coming in only it was discovered JD had already cashed it in. That's the root of the problem here. I wish there was a money tree we could shake. There was due to be an injection of cash into the association once the Euros happened whether we qualified or not. That's gone for a year. There were supposed to be a number of internationals from Sept through autumn. Gone as well. Where do you suggest the money comes from? I'm out of ideas. Only 5 clubs want to play, that's down to the clubs. It's a perfect storm and very worrying. 


I don't know where it comes from, thats the FAI's job to figure out.
So far they have come up with the idea of taking money of clubs!! it's laughable
Quin also suggested the idea in his meeting with the PFAI that maybe players will have to take pay cuts, yet half the players in the league are currently not even being paid!!

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Originally posted by Shoco Shoco wrote:

Originally posted by Drumcondra 69er Drumcondra 69er wrote:

Originally posted by Shoco Shoco wrote:

Originally posted by Drumcondra 69er Drumcondra 69er wrote:

Originally posted by Shoco Shoco wrote:

So basically the FAI's financial plan to get the league going is for the Euro clubs to give up 100k each.
Joke shop.

Niall Quinn is an absolute spoofer

The place was on the brink before Covid. None of the normal income streams such as TV money and decent prize money were ever in place for the league. Plus the solidarity money has already been cashed in  and spent by JD. 

UEFA and government already provided more money to keep the lights on back in January before the shutters came down. Hard to see how this moves forward when the majority of clubs don't want to play behind closed doors and can't afford to. Where do you see the money coming from? Can't just pluck it out of thin air. Broke clubs, broke association and UEFA and the government facing an unprecedented crisis. 


None of which is the fault of the European clubs. How can they even give 100k when there is no time line for next season qualifiers? When will the clubs be receive the money for next seasons qualifiers?

Has your Bohs got 100k lying around to give away?

I'm not suggesting that's the solution. I don't know what is. There was €4.3m of UEFA  emergency money from the hat-trick fund supposed to be coming in only it was discovered JD had already cashed it in. That's the root of the problem here. I wish there was a money tree we could shake. There was due to be an injection of cash into the association once the Euros happened whether we qualified or not. That's gone for a year. There were supposed to be a number of internationals from Sept through autumn. Gone as well. Where do you suggest the money comes from? I'm out of ideas. Only 5 clubs want to play, that's down to the clubs. It's a perfect storm and very worrying. 


I don't know where it comes from, thats the FAI's job to figure out.
So far they have come up with the idea of taking money of clubs!! it's laughable
Quin also suggested the idea in his meeting with the PFAI that maybe players will have to take pay cuts, yet half the players in the league are currently not even being paid!!

Can't simply point the finger of blame at the current board for the majority of clubs in the country being appallingly run, it comes from years of neglect. It needed a huge amount of work before Covid, let alone now. I see a number going to the wall unfortunately.

The European money clubs were due has been used to plug holes for years in an undercover manner as Dundalk can vouch for. That's what started all this unravelling with the €100k loan. I don't know the details of what was suggested last night. What was the comeback on it? What if it was a loan to be repaid with interest when things level out? Clubs are going to have to take a hit somewhere and there's little appetite to. 


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Could some kind of allowance be given to the clubs from the FAI to come up with some sort of business plan to get out of this?
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Years of LOI internal mismanagement combined with an administering governing body led by a Kleptocrat was never going to work out well. 

Looks like we need a wealthy benefactor, or a few of them, to bail the league out. Someone ask the multinational companies to sponsor a team each. We might even pick up a few new supporters along the way. 

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Originally posted by sausy sausy wrote:

Could some kind of allowance be given to the clubs from the FAI to come up with some sort of business plan to get out of this?
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I think all players are going to be laid off. The league could struggle to have any full time professional players next season.
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most clubs will lose a large chunk of sponsors due to businesses closing and not having any spare money due to the pandemic and they need this in normal times to keep them going never mind now when their expected to play with no match revenue.
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Originally posted by Jackal Jackal wrote:

I think all players are going to be laid off. The league could struggle to have any full time professional players next season.

Unless its sorted say goodbye to LOI and National Team 
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Originally posted by Twoinarow Twoinarow wrote:

Originally posted by Jackal Jackal wrote:

I think all players are going to be laid off. The league could struggle to have any full time professional players next season.

Unless its sorted say goodbye to LOI and National Team 

Players were getting laid off 2/3 weeks into  the virus (along with most staff at some clubs).....the writing was on the wall weeks ago.


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