Survey on how LOI football should return
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Topic: Survey on how LOI football should return
Posted By: Drumcondra 69er
Subject: Survey on how LOI football should return
Date Posted: 04 May 2020 at 2:07pm
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There's been plenty of talk between clubs and the league about how best to return but supporters have not really been part of that discussion so far. Will only take a couple of minutes and all responses and shares are welcome. https://t.co/AMrwc1JAaJ" rel="nofollow - https://t.co/AMrwc1JAaJ ------------- Blog: http://afalsefirstxi.blogspot.ie/" rel="nofollow - A False First XI Twitter: @afalsefirstxi Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/afalsefirstxi/" rel="nofollow - A False First XI |
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Posted By: pre Madonna
Date Posted: 04 May 2020 at 3:41pm
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Social distancing isn't feasible at a football match, even at Tolka. ------------- Greed has won, big finance has won. Whatever small role elite clubs still play in the local communities from which they grew is dwarfed now by their position as global brands. |
Posted By: horsebox
Date Posted: 04 May 2020 at 3:48pm
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The league should continue with social distancing enforced for the short term at least. Attendances should be limited for home\away fans and could possibly be increased on how the fans respect the rules above and over time. ------------- It was far across the sea, When the devil got a hold of me, He wouldn't set me free, So he kept me soul for ransom. na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na. I'm a sailor man from Glasgow to |
Posted By: ProudAndLoud
Date Posted: 04 May 2020 at 5:08pm
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And what about the players ?? Very hard to play football and social distance at same time ?? It's going to be a disaster and not worth the risk. More money lost
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Posted By: Gaz
Date Posted: 13 May 2020 at 11:18am
Only seeing this now - filled it in  ------------- I dont email the count anymore, its been 9 months : ( He even sent me a YBIG scarf for my Birthday |
Posted By: GreenArmy!
Date Posted: 13 May 2020 at 3:03pm
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Don't think the league should go ahead behind closed doors myself. Don't get me wrong, I am missing football more than anyone but with it being only 4/5 games in, if the season cant go ahead with fans it should be voided in my opinion. The league has been improving steadily over the last few years and I feel a year without revenue gate receipts would only send it back in the wrong direction. Of course there is the mention of a paid streaming service but in reality I don't feel this will attract the part-time occasional fans which you get on any given week and that teams would be relying on their small hardcore who already have season tickets or memberships and may be due some discount on any streaming of matches which only further cuts the stream of revenue. As well as that you lose out on programmes, merchandise sales, bar takes, food sales/burger van fees, etc. I just don't see how it would be feasible to pay players and any other match day expenses when there is very little coming in and feel that it would start to undo most of the good work of the last few years. Maybe Im wrong and would be interested to hear any counter argument on the matter.
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Posted By: Sham157
Date Posted: 13 May 2020 at 3:37pm
| YES |
Posted By: sausy
Date Posted: 13 May 2020 at 4:37pm
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could a switch back from Summer football to a traditional season be an option and then a condensed season next year before back to Summer football in 2022. ------------- Bimbos Burgers - "Official Sponsor of the Irish Squad" |
Posted By: Daragho
Date Posted: 14 May 2020 at 4:41pm
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I'm very worried for the domestic league. With no crowds permitted for quite a while (if there's no vaccine that could be into 2022) where is any revenue going to come from? Streaming is unlikely to plug the gap. So without almost full financial support from government, UEFA or FIFA how can you run any competition? I really can't see a way around this if there are no spectators allowed.
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Posted By: Terzino
Date Posted: 15 May 2020 at 3:58pm
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Most leagues across Europe must be in a similar situation. So I guess there will be some Europe-wide attempt to save the clubs. When a disaster like this strikes you might even get some kind of radical solution. A European Super League, conglomeration of smaller leagues or, in our case, the fabled All-Ireland league.
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Posted By: Denis Irwin
Date Posted: 15 May 2020 at 4:33pm
Belgian/Dutch league has been mooted previously. Think a Scandinavian one has been as well ------------- Eamonn Dunphy:"I'll tell you who wrote it, Rod Liddle, he's the guy who ran away and left his wife for a young one". Bill O'Herlihy: Ah ye can't be saying that now Eamonn |
Terzino wrote:Posted By: pre Madonna
Date Posted: 15 May 2020 at 4:36pm
Celtic have been linked with a north Atlantic league more often than with EPL. It would certainly be the preferred option of the two, seeing as football can't be run as a sport anymore. ------------- Greed has won, big finance has won. Whatever small role elite clubs still play in the local communities from which they grew is dwarfed now by their position as global brands. |
Posted By: Jackal
Date Posted: 15 May 2020 at 6:55pm
The All Ireland league is not happening anyway. The Northern Clubs made that clear.
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Posted By: horsebox
Date Posted: 15 May 2020 at 7:11pm
Where is that now? Posted previously - https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/irish-league/crusaders-chief-eager-to-see-the-plans-for-all-island-football-revolution-38626251.html" rel="nofollow - https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/irish-league/crusaders-chief-eager-to-see-the-plans-for-all-island-football-revolution-38626251.html https://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/league-of-ireland/linfield-and-glentoran-open-to-further-cross-border-league-talks-after-groundbreaking-dundalk-summit-38629875.html" rel="nofollow - https://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/league-of-ireland/linfield-and-glentoran-open-to-further-cross-border-league-talks-after-groundbreaking-dundalk-summit-38629875.html ------------- It was far across the sea, When the devil got a hold of me, He wouldn't set me free, So he kept me soul for ransom. na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na. I'm a sailor man from Glasgow to |
Posted By: Daragho
Date Posted: 16 May 2020 at 4:55pm
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I heard Niall Quinn on the LoI Weekly podcast. In fairness, from listening to him there seems to be a real concerted effort by himself and the FAI to put in place a structure and, more importantly, the finances to get the league up and running again. It has given me a bit more optimism. If there is to be streaming of all games in a concentrated season I hope enough fans pay to watch. After all, we'd be contributing to the survival of our clubs, not just to see a few matches behind closed doors (which isn't all that exciting, to be honest).
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Posted By: Terzino
Date Posted: 16 May 2020 at 4:59pm
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Under normal circumstances the All-Ireland league probably wouldn't happen, but "social distancing" is going to drive clubs to the wall, even if the players are given the all clear to play. Something will have to emerge from the ruins. For an Atlantic League type thing, the problem is not the pandemic but our lack of infrastructure. Dundalk would need a brand new stadium. Or if you really wanted to take advantage of bigger clubs coming into the country, you'd need to use Lansdowne. So Dundalk and Shamrock Rovers doing a ground share in Lansdowne? Until the clubs get their own modern grounds it doesn't look a runner. And they can't afford that, so it means the government building multi-use municipal stadiums. We just need to elect a sports-mad, socialist Taoiseach.
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Posted By: cildaratown
Date Posted: 16 May 2020 at 10:27pm
| when is the earliest that the league would come back? |
Posted By: JUICEBOMB
Date Posted: 16 May 2020 at 11:02pm
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on a lower level...the lenister senior league want to finish the season out...with games taking place on 28th August and clubs available to train from 10th August.problem is that I’m hearing a lot of the mid table teams (in the top intermediate league) with nothing to play for can’t get lads to go back for the remaining 9 games. ------------- hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard |
Posted By: Drumcondra 69er
Date Posted: 21 May 2020 at 5:10pm
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The results of that survey are available below for those interested. http://irishsupportersnetwork.ie/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/Behind-Closed-Door-findings.pptx" rel="nofollow - http://irishsupportersnetwork.ie/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/Behind-Closed-Door-findings.pptx
Supporters have mixed views on how the League of Ireland should proceed in 2020 but are supportive of measures to help their clubs through the Covid-19 pandemic, a new survey by the Asked if they support ‘Behind Closed Doors’ for the League, 52.7% of participants said they were in favour with 47.3% against the idea. Feedback from individual supporters on this specific question included statements of support for their club’s long-term viability as well as a desire for supporters’ well being, both physical and mental, to be acknowledged and recognised in discussions. Asked how supporters should be kept involved if closed games do proceed, a third (33.5%) of respondents stated a preference for a Fully Paid streaming service where everyone pays a fee followed by a service that would be available free to certain groups within the supporter base i.e. season ticket holders or club members (31.1%). A total of 27.3% stated a preference for the option: Asked if they would support measures to not allow away fans in grounds until social distancing measures are lifted, 65% of people were in favour, with 35% against.
Demonstrating their understanding of how precarious finances are for many clubs at the moment, a majority of participants (58.7%) stated a preference for some level of consideration for their 2021 season ticket renewal as the top remedy in the event of Closed Games going ahead. Second was an exclusive club event for season ticket holders (21.3%), 17.6% said they would be satisfied with a voucher or other non-monetary compensation while 16.4% of respondents believe an option for a partial refund is needed. Finally, when asked if their club had engaged with supporters on this topic, 63.8% said No with 36.2% saying Yes. Again, feedback included sympathy that clubs are also working in unchartered territory at present alongside a desire to be included and acknowledged.
ISN is fully supportive of efforts to try and find the ISN wishes to highlight and acknowledge the support of our fellow supporters’ organisations – CRISC and YBIG Mandate – in sharing the survey. All three groups have continued to work together to improve the experiences of all supporters in Irish football since being included on FAI Council for the first time last summer. For further information, contact: ------------- Blog: http://afalsefirstxi.blogspot.ie/" rel="nofollow - A False First XI Twitter: @afalsefirstxi Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/afalsefirstxi/" rel="nofollow - A False First XI |
Posted By: 9fingers
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2020 at 6:08pm
| Rumours from today’s meeting don’t sound good at all. We’ll be lucky to see league football this calendar year |
Posted By: Shoco
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2020 at 8:45am
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So basically the FAI's financial plan to get the league going is for the Euro clubs to give up 100k each. Joke shop. Niall Quinn is an absolute spoofer -------------  YOUR 3 IN A ROW LEAGUE CHAMPIONS |
Posted By: Drumcondra 69er
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2020 at 10:12am
The place was on the brink before Covid. None of the normal income streams such as TV money and decent prize money were ever in place for the league. Plus the solidarity money has already been cashed in and spent by JD. UEFA and government already provided more money to keep the lights on back in January before the shutters came down. Hard to see how this moves forward when the majority of clubs don't want to play behind closed doors and can't afford to. Where do you see the money coming from? Can't just pluck it out of thin air. Broke clubs, broke association and UEFA and the government facing an unprecedented crisis. ------------- Blog: http://afalsefirstxi.blogspot.ie/" rel="nofollow - A False First XI Twitter: @afalsefirstxi Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/afalsefirstxi/" rel="nofollow - A False First XI |
Posted By: Twoinarow
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2020 at 10:36am
If the LOI does not start back up then its finished, many clubs will never return. Say goodbye to a National Team for a while The FAI are still a shambles from top to bottom ------------- 2 in a row and we won it in Tallaght |
Posted By: ProudAndLoud
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2020 at 11:37am
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Good honest post Drumcondra69er and it's a reality. I would have a fair idea of what's going on and for now fai at absolute rock bottom finance wise with no funds coming in. Niall Quinn means well and ye he is bluffing a bit hoping fifa give funds soon but it's only a gloss over. COVID couldn't have came at a worse time for fai or LOI. Just as season starts ! And dont be under any illusion that the top four clubs are financially safe either. My feeling is that a government loan will be made available to LOI but if the FAI old guard hang in then ????
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Posted By: Shoco
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2020 at 11:45am
None of which is the fault of the European clubs. How can they even give 100k when there is no time line for next season qualifiers? When will the clubs be receive the money for next seasons qualifiers? Has your Bohs got 100k lying around to give away? ------------- YOUR 3 IN A ROW LEAGUE CHAMPIONS |
Posted By: Donegalman
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2020 at 11:49am
What would you do if you were in Quinns shoes now in regard a financial plan? The Fai needed a bail out before he even got the job it is hardly afloat with cash atm that he can magically throw at clubs to get the league underway. It’s current state is down to years of negligence under Delaney and we are still seeing the full effects of his reign. If the 4.5 million wasn’t already drawn down by Delaney previously then the league would be back up and running.
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Posted By: Drumcondra 69er
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2020 at 12:06pm
I'm not suggesting that's the solution. I don't know what is. There was €4.3m of UEFA emergency money from the hat-trick fund supposed to be coming in only it was discovered JD had already cashed it in. That's the root of the problem here. I wish there was a money tree we could shake. There was due to be an injection of cash into the association once the Euros happened whether we qualified or not. That's gone for a year. There were supposed to be a number of internationals from Sept through autumn. Gone as well. Where do you suggest the money comes from? I'm out of ideas. Only 5 clubs want to play, that's down to the clubs. It's a perfect storm and very worrying.
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Posted By: Shoco
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2020 at 12:15pm
I don't know where it comes from, thats the FAI's job to figure out. So far they have come up with the idea of taking money of clubs!! it's laughable Quin also suggested the idea in his meeting with the PFAI that maybe players will have to take pay cuts, yet half the players in the league are currently not even being paid!! ------------- YOUR 3 IN A ROW LEAGUE CHAMPIONS |
Posted By: Drumcondra 69er
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2020 at 12:26pm
Can't simply point the finger of blame at the current board for the majority of clubs in the country being appallingly run, it comes from years of neglect. It needed a huge amount of work before Covid, let alone now. I see a number going to the wall unfortunately. The European money clubs were due has been used to plug holes for years in an undercover manner as Dundalk can vouch for. That's what started all this unravelling with the €100k loan. I don't know the details of what was suggested last night. What was the comeback on it? What if it was a loan to be repaid with interest when things level out? Clubs are going to have to take a hit somewhere and there's little appetite to.
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Posted By: sausy
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2020 at 12:59pm
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Could some kind of allowance be given to the clubs from the FAI to come up with some sort of business plan to get out of this? ------------- Bimbos Burgers - "Official Sponsor of the Irish Squad" |
Posted By: MC Hammered
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2020 at 1:21pm
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Years of LOI internal mismanagement combined with an administering governing body led by a Kleptocrat was never going to work out well. Looks like we need a wealthy benefactor, or a few of them, to bail the league out. Someone ask the multinational companies to sponsor a team each. We might even pick up a few new supporters along the way. ------------- El Puto Amo |
Posted By: Sham157
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2020 at 3:06pm
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Posted By: Jackal
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2020 at 3:30pm
| I think all players are going to be laid off. The league could struggle to have any full time professional players next season. |
Posted By: gufct
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2020 at 3:59pm
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most clubs will lose a large chunk of sponsors due to businesses closing and not having any spare money due to the pandemic and they need this in normal times to keep them going never mind now when their expected to play with no match revenue. ------------- One City,One County,One Club GUFC will be back. |
Posted By: Twoinarow
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2020 at 4:40pm
Unless its sorted say goodbye to LOI and National Team ------------- 2 in a row and we won it in Tallaght |
Posted By: JUICEBOMB
Date Posted: 13 Jun 2020 at 12:29am
Players were getting laid off 2/3 weeks into the virus (along with most staff at some clubs).....the writing was on the wall weeks ago.
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Posted By: oldbilly
Date Posted: 13 Jun 2020 at 8:56am
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and the FAI think the 4 euro clubs should bail out the league? Bohs should hand over money to the likes of pats and Derry to pay players wages , full time players, while we continue to be part time and live within our means?? f**k off.
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Posted By: OnTheOneRoad
Date Posted: 13 Jun 2020 at 1:25pm
Not paying a cent to teams who had several times our budget and failed to spend their way to the top. We've earned our euro money by living within our means. The money will always be found for the national team. ------------- No thank you Turkish......I'm sweet enough |
Posted By: Jackal
Date Posted: 13 Jun 2020 at 6:55pm
| Just say no. Cork City are in debt because numptys elected their buddies. The other clubs should not have to give them money. |
Posted By: OnTheOneRoad
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2020 at 3:14pm
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It's a non-story, won't be happening. I'd be angry enough if I was a Dundalk fan and the FAI were trying to shovel their sh*t downstream, even angrier that clubs can waste years upon years of euro money and then come looking to leech off our hard work. This isn't a serious proposal. The FAI will get the league restarted, as time goes on UEFA will be looking at the situation and we'll get into the question again of whether we should be allowed to field a national team without a functioning league. They tried to dump the league before and realised that UEFA won't let them do it without sacrificing their cash cow national side. The money will eventually turn up from the Mick and Robbie fund. What's happening now is they're trying to paint a picture of a poor damsel in distress league, in the hope that someone in Leinster House will pick up the tab. ------------- No thank you Turkish......I'm sweet enough |
Posted By: Borussia
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2020 at 2:59pm
| So, league is back at the end of July. Hopefully there might be an option to pay and watch your team online while crowds are still not allowed in. |
Posted By: Shoco
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2020 at 3:16pm
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Just continuing on from where it was left and only playing 2 rounds, so only 13 games is a bit crap. Really should have tried and had 3 rounds and a proper season or at least come back and play 2 full rounds. But at least it's a plan but should not have taken this long, Euro clubs will get some games before the Euro campaign. League finished in Oct 2019. 3 1/2 month break to the new season. 4 1/2 month break for covid 19 back for 3-4 months to finish season before another long break Seems like a write off of a year ------------- YOUR 3 IN A ROW LEAGUE CHAMPIONS |
Posted By: gufct
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2020 at 4:17pm
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Count yourselves lucky being in the premier we had a 6 months break and haven’t had a home game since 15th September 2019. Great to see common sense being applied by the fai and all teams being treated equally. ------------- One City,One County,One Club GUFC will be back. |
Posted By: Shedite
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2020 at 5:50pm
Can't see many of the non-European team getting much of a squad together. They won't have the cash without crowds. Probably better off leaving the players on unemployment payments and going part time.
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Posted By: Shoco
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2020 at 8:52pm
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I doubt they can do that if the players have contracts. The fact there will be relegation means it would be a big risk. I do feel that’s what some of the clubs wanted to do though ------------- YOUR 3 IN A ROW LEAGUE CHAMPIONS |
Posted By: Gaz
Date Posted: 01 Jul 2020 at 11:23am
Crowds of 500 allowed outdoors from 1 August so there should be crowds allowed in. Shels CEO said we've sold approx 500 season tickets so they could be allowed in depending on government advice ------------- I dont email the count anymore, its been 9 months : ( He even sent me a YBIG scarf for my Birthday |
Posted By: Jackal
Date Posted: 01 Jul 2020 at 11:41am
The 500 might include the teams, reporters, club officials etc.
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Posted By: Gaz
Date Posted: 01 Jul 2020 at 11:52am
Even if it did, you'd still get a few hundred fans in fingers crossed ------------- I dont email the count anymore, its been 9 months : ( He even sent me a YBIG scarf for my Birthday |
Posted By: nvidic
Date Posted: 01 Jul 2020 at 12:02pm
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Happy with the outcome, every game will matter now I'm hoping Bray let their season ticket holders back in, don't see why they wouldn't
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Posted By: GoneToShowgies
Date Posted: 01 Jul 2020 at 2:10pm
This could get tricky. Probably gonna be 400ish fans by the time players, management, stewards, medical staff, sponsors, etc are catered for first. Are season ticket holders more deserving that fans who pay full whack every home game. I know lads who pay every game and have been doing that for years. We have about 600 season ticket holders, so probably have to do a draw for each game if its limited numbers in. The main concern for clubs that only let in season ticket holders is that a club are not getting any gate receipts because they have paid their money already. And the gate receipts could be the difference between breaking even or making a big loss this season. Its a balls.
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Posted By: Gaz
Date Posted: 01 Jul 2020 at 2:15pm
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Can't think of any fairer way than allowing season ticket holders in tbh. They've already vastly overpaid for the handful of games they're allowed in to, and I could see a lot of anger brewing if non ST holders are allowed in ahead of them
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Posted By: Jackal
Date Posted: 01 Jul 2020 at 4:22pm
| League is off again? |
Posted By: Shoco
Date Posted: 01 Jul 2020 at 4:44pm
So your saying the clubs should hold on to the money that's already been paid for season tickets, then not let the people with season ticketsin to the games but rather make other people pay in? How does that make any sense? Can Sligo afford to refund season ticket sales if they want pay at the gate only? ------------- YOUR 3 IN A ROW LEAGUE CHAMPIONS |
Posted By: ShamtheRam
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2020 at 11:04am
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Do Sligo withdraw their objection to playing now they've raised all that money? If they don't play, do they intend refunding everyone? ------------- YBIG NPF founder and CEO |
Posted By: Daragho
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2020 at 12:06pm
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Season Ticket holders get first option on tickets, no question about it. Although it doesn't look like this saga is concluded yet.
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Posted By: Nah Nah Nah Nah
Date Posted: 03 Jul 2020 at 10:36pm
| We had already said we were returning to play before this fundraising started and no one would want their donation back if we didn’t play. We’re regularly fundraising just this one seems to have gotten a lot more attention. |
Posted By: Borussia
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2020 at 12:06pm
| This money generated by LOI Go - Anybody know where this will be going?? |
Posted By: Shedite
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2020 at 1:05pm
Revenue will go to each club from streaming sales. |