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t_rAndy 
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I'm not asking them to lie but more data behind the people who are still getting very sick despite vaccination. So if it is the case that those people, for example, caught it when anyway there immune system was down due to something else then I think this would give older people better facts to make their decision around. So basically some more details behind the stats would be great if we could get to that once we have reached the critical mass of vaccinations as otherwise it feels like without that type of info or messaging we are stuck in limbo for a long time yet |
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Baldrick
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Posted: 05 Aug 2021 at 11:19am |
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When it is safe to do so as recommended by the public health experts. |
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thebronze14
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Posted: 05 Aug 2021 at 11:31am |
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We'll be waiting a while then, there will always be a variant on the horizon etc! If big events can't take place in the coming months despite the vaccination levels then we are going to be stuck in this perpetual cycle of some of society remaining closed indefinitely. We need to take the plunge at some stage, if not now they definitely won't do it into winter despite the fact we have so few deaths with it and small numbers in ICU at the moment.
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colemanY2K
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Posted: 05 Aug 2021 at 12:02pm |
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The Office for National Statistics came out yesterday to say they reckon over 90% of the UK population now have antibodies for Covid. It would certainly explain the decline in the numbers of infections, hospitalisations and the low number of deaths. http://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/bulletins/coronaviruscovid19infectionsurveyantibodyandvaccinationdatafortheuk/4august2021 The BBC speculated in an article yesterday that this might be the end of the pandemic. i expect things will normalise across much of europe in the coming weeks. certainly ireland looks to be on a similar trajectory to the uk.
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"One of the dominant facts in English life during the past three quarters of a century has been the decay of ability in the ruling class." Orwell, 1942.
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Cabra Hoop
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Posted: 05 Aug 2021 at 12:18pm |
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Newryrep
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Posted: 05 Aug 2021 at 12:22pm |
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'Irish' Songs for an Irish team - no SPL EPL generic sh*te
Richard Dunne - 6th Sept 11 - best marshalling of a defence in Moscow since General Zukov Russia V Germany 1941 |
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t_rAndy
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Posted: 05 Aug 2021 at 12:25pm |
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This is kind of what I am talking about, information like this from the UK being more widely available for people: At the moment there are fewer than 100 a day on average (in the UK). To put that into context, during a bad flu season there can be more than 100 deaths and around 1,000 hospital admissions every day for months on end. And therein lies the problem. Lockdowns and social distancing meant flu and other respiratory infections were hardly present last winter, meaning there is likely to be lower immunity in the population than normal. "If they return on the scale we expect we could see really major pressures build on the NHS that could raise some very difficult questions," says Dr Tildesley. This now is starting to read to me that the current levels of Covid in UK, which are high but falling, are comparable to a Flu season. I think if we see this continuing and remaining stable then we should be able to get to a point where we say we should treat it as another respiratory condition but the risks of serious health problems are no worse than that of the flu (long Covid is probably elephant in that statement but hopefully more studies will show vaccine also good at preventing that).
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Shedite
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Posted: 05 Aug 2021 at 2:47pm |
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Posted: 05 Aug 2021 at 3:45pm |
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Got my second jab yesterday. Feels like I've spent the week drinking in Live Lounge.
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The dark side.. And the light
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colemanY2K
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Posted: 05 Aug 2021 at 3:50pm |
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thebronze14
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Baldrick
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Posted: 05 Aug 2021 at 4:26pm |
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It would take some amount of gobsh*tery arrogance for me to randomly pick a date in the future with no evidence and no training to do so. It hardly makes sense returning to normal as posters have suggested when its unsafe.
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Newryrep
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Posted: 05 Aug 2021 at 9:36pm |
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Your blind unquestioning faith in authority is perplexing , maybe journalists or the media shouldn't ask any questions at all ? they should just report what is said
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The unquestioning faith from some is like a throwback to the era of when people did everything the priests and bishops told them to do. It’s almost as though civil servants and public health officials cannot be subject to scrutiny. Absolutely bizarre mentality when you consider that the track record of the Chief Medical Officer is questionable to say the least. |
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t_rAndy
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Posted: 05 Aug 2021 at 11:55pm |
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I got send Pfizer today and already got the digital cert. Efficient.
But question: can I dine indoors now I have a cert or need to wait a week? Initial info was you are considered fully vaxxed one week after 2nd dose
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Cabra Hoop
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Baldrick
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Of course journalists should do their job and ask questions and none of my posts have suggested that they should not do that. They should inform themselves though as much as they can so that their questions carry more weight. Where have I said journalists should not do their job. Again the poster asked me when I thought that things should return to normal, to me obvious answer to that is when it is safe to do so. Any earlier is crazy and any later than that is crazy also. The key question is who decides when it is safe to do so and I would have thought it was obvious that the public health experts are the obvious people to at least advice on that decision. I would certainly trust them ahead of lobbyists who have skin in the game.
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Baldrick wrote:
Very hard watching other countries getting on with gigs and festivals and we don't despite the fantastic vaccine uptake. It's very demoralising as there seems to be very little in the way of normality returning