Coronavirus - Remain Calm. Do Not Panic

My position is entirely consistent

I didn't criticise the students in Galway, they were well within their rights

Same with the Liverpool and Leeds supporters

Same with these drinkers - sure the pubs were serving pints to them legally!

Your position is all over the place and quite obviously not concerned with any sort of honest debating - you're only concerned with trying to score points off me because I quite correctly called you out over what you said regarding Van Jones, and you're still seething over it

You're also now running with the right wing corporate phraseology of "personal responsibility" - it could have come straight from the mouth of a Tory

That's very telling

The people who have the "personal responsibility" here are the lawmakers and politicians - it's up to them to draft laws and lead by example

Some of your posts lately have had a fierce bang of gammon off them

The rules aren't hard enough

Certain places identified an end goal, identified a means to get there, and went for it

New Zealand did it, the state government of Victoria (Melbourne and surrounds) did it

Their end goal was virus elimination

There was no f**king around, they said it would be a slog, they said "this is the medicine", and they ruthlessly went for it

And they were successful

That's what should have been done here and in Britain but politicians are too petrified and too interested in public opinion to rule in any way effectively

Europe and the US failed to deal with this crisis

Different countries failed for different reasons - we failed because our government cannot govern, Britain and the US failed because they're run by apocalyptic death cults

Sid mo chara, we agreed to disagree on Van Jones's reaction. Believe me, I'm not seething over it in any way. I will be seething if Bulgaria wins tomorrow night mind.  

I know the right wing in the U.S. likes to use personal responsibility against vulnerable people when it suits them but over here in Europe the Leeds, Liverpool fans & more recent gobsh*tes gathering in Dublin city centre the other night  are personally responsible for their own behaviour which if it hasn't already happened will affect others.  

Waffler.

Sorry, what? 

We were down to single figures in the summer

That was a position where you could have pushed for elimination

There were no soft power overtures to the North or to the Brits or to the Europeans about what was needed

Everybody just went their own way, doing their own thing, all doing the wrong thing, in Europe at any rate

Within Europe, there were those who did things less wrong, quelle surprise it was the Finns and the Norwegians and the Danes

The irony is that a policy which was supposed to protect the economy will do exactly the opposite 

That's no surprise at all - business lobby groups are not epidemiologists

While New Zealand and Australia have opened up with a reasonable expectation that they will be able to continue pretty much indefinitely in this way - and if they do get outbreaks, they have a much better chance to ruthlessly crush them quickly

We'll have five or six weeks of Level 2 from December 2nd or so, because, ooh, Christmas, ah shure we couldn't shut down for Christmas, then cases will be back to over a thousand daily by January 10th or so, and back into Level 5 

The government called a level 5 the week leading into a midterm break. Cases would inevitably go down and they would get their applause for doing the hard thing. You got to admire their timing on that one 

Start by looking at the numbers. When schools are open cases rise. When they close they fall.