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Martiponti 
Kevin Kilbane 
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 Posted: 16 Jul 2020 at 12:01am |
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Not just BACK........ I never went away, ye know! The reference to a Sinn Feiner was peripheral to the matter under discussion, but you couldn't just let it go at that. You just had to have side swipe at them.Clearly the type of behaviour of someone who is terrified of them.
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Het-field
Roy Keane 
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Posted: 16 Jul 2020 at 12:02am |
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And why does it frustrate you so much that I referenced them?
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sid waddell
Roy Keane
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Posted: 16 Jul 2020 at 12:06am |
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Fianna Fail took the same amount of time to show their true colours once they got back into power as Fat Tony took to flood Springfield with booze again when Rex Banner was unexpectedly catapulted to what was presumably his death.
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Martiponti
Kevin Kilbane
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Posted: 16 Jul 2020 at 5:56am |
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Frustrated, you say...... You couldn't be more wrong. I couldn't give a flying about SF. It's you I can't have. Someone recently said you were the 26 county version of that Nordie, Terrydactyl. That was spot on: you both have been produced by the same type of matrix, in political and social systems designed to give advantage to a section of people at the expense of others. Terry's may have been drawn up along sectarian lines, but essentially it's the idea. SF are anathema to both of you, as they represent the end of the safety nets both yourself and Terry have had beneath them, and there's no amount of polemic from either of you that's going to stop that. One thing I will give Terry is that although he's a self satisfied c£#t like yourself, the sort of c£#ts that develope from having a system working in their favour, to be fair, he's much more capable and articulate than you when trying to put up a defence. So if it takes SF to f**k you both over, I'll go for SF until such time as they need f&*ked out.
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Het-field
Roy Keane
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Posted: 16 Jul 2020 at 7:29am |
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That is a pathetic, rambling post, with the key takeaway being that the most important thing to you, politically is that two posters, on the internet, who you have almost certainly never met get “f**ked over”, while throwing a few insults into the mix, for good measure. That’s really sad. The truth is, that shows that you are indeed a very frustrated poster, who has been incapable of proper debate, as you proceed with your assumption laden arguments. You just don’t like seeing SF criticised, and you were unable to deal with my arguments before the election, and now that you’re back you focussed on a small part of a post I made, which frustrates you. Also, what safety nets do I have, and how will SF remove them if they get into office? Go on, tease that one our a bit.
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sausy
Jack Charlton
MAYO FOR SAM Joined: 13 Jan 2009 Location: The local Status: Offline Points: 6980 |
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Posted: 16 Jul 2020 at 9:24am |
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Fingers crossed they don't bypass the beautiful and historic village of Tulsk.
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the_walls
Jack Charlton
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Posted: 16 Jul 2020 at 9:43am |
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They shouldn't just bypass Tulsk, they should bypass the whole of Roscommon!
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sausy
Jack Charlton
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Posted: 16 Jul 2020 at 10:07am |
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On a serious note Mayo must be delighted to have the Minister of Agriculture. Finally all those hard working and suffering rock farmers of the West have a voice.
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oldbilly
Ray Houghton
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Posted: 16 Jul 2020 at 8:47pm |
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that waste of f**king skin and oxygen Eamonn Ryan, snoring away during a vote what a f**king neck that bastard has, I fell asleep in work I’d be sacked and rightly so, this entitled fool snores away on a hundred k a year, sick.
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sid waddell
Roy Keane
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Posted: 16 Jul 2020 at 10:16pm |
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Posts like this are why the far right will be a big f**king problem in this country in the years to come.
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Jackal
Liam Brady
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Posted: 16 Jul 2020 at 10:26pm |
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It's nothing to do with the far right. It's calling a politician to account.
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Sham157
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Posted: 16 Jul 2020 at 10:30pm |
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 what the hell has the far right got to do with him giving out about an elected TD asleep in parliament?
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sid waddell
Roy Keane
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Posted: 16 Jul 2020 at 11:01pm |
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But it's not calling him to account. The optics of it aren't great but the guy was obviously f**king wrecked, it happens when you have to work around the clock, day in, day out. Amazingly enough human beings sometimes get tired. If Ryan had been performatively lying down in an arrogant pose like that **** Rees-Mogg you might have had some semblance of a point but he wasn't doing that.
I'll tell you what it has to do with it. When the default reaction to extremely minor incidents in politics that are caught on camera is to vilify the person involved and vilify politicians in general as "a waste of f**king skin and oxygen", "what a neck that bastard has" or some such, this feeds into the narrative that all politicians are in it for the wrong reasons, when that is not the case. Such narratives destroy any faith in politics or political ideals, they lead to mass cynicism and whip up mass anger - and importantly, not for any good reason - there are plenty of reasons to be justifiably angry about things that happen in politics or related fields, but a very tired human falling asleep in the Dail is not one. If people's faith that any change can ever be achieved through democracy is destroyed, and any faith in institutions is destroyed, the way is opened for demagogues. This is the Putin/Trump/Bolsonaro strategy. The strategy is not just to destroy faith in politics, it's to destroy faith in all institutions, - the courts, the media, the civil service, the public service (and all of those institutions do have problems, but they're usually because of the cut, cut cut right-wing ideology). The "outsider" claims they will sweep in and "change" everything. Except they're always a f**king disaster. Make no mistake that Sinn Fein's strategy is to do this, to whip up mass anger and cynicism in the same way Trump did. And I'm not saying they're the same as Trump - but their strategy is. And the far right in Ireland are even more naked in their strategy to do this. As well as destroying any trust in politics, the courts, the media, the civil service, the public service, they want to destroy any trust in science, in medicine, in any sort of academia or intellectual pursuit. They want to destroy any faith in truth and reason. Why? To put people in such a state of perpetual confusion and cynicism and to sow such chaos in society that people start to see the demagogues as the only hope for an imagined "order". For a demagogue to come to power, you need a population which has been whipped into the perfect mix of desperation, cynicism and gullibility. The internet is the perfect place to manufacture that.
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Jackal
Liam Brady
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Posted: 16 Jul 2020 at 11:07pm |
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Talk about chasing shadows.
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9fingers
Paul McGrath 
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Posted: 16 Jul 2020 at 11:13pm |
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Have a day off Sid ffs |
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Sham157
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Posted: 16 Jul 2020 at 11:16pm |
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sid waddell
Roy Keane
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Posted: 16 Jul 2020 at 11:26pm |
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Yis can laugh all yis want but these are the frameworks through which demagogues come to power and they've played out over and over and over again.
If yis think Ireland is immune from that, yis are dead wrong.
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Trigboy 10
Liam Brady
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Posted: 16 Jul 2020 at 11:30pm |
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If it was Verona Murphy asleep you’d have a different view.
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