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Jimmy Raggatip
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fair enough we got a dreadful draw last time out in the Nations League but it won't always be like that, and promotion and relegation ensures a fair churn of teams from cycle to cycle next time out the seeding pots will be Russia/Austria/Wales/Czech Rep - so two teams we haven't met in a while Scotland/Norway/Serbia/Finland - again the two Scandi teams would be a nice change Slovakia/Turkey/us/Nordies Bulgaria/Israel/Hungary/Romania - all a decent change of scenery it won't always be the complete anti climax of last time
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Old guard wanting to keep more tv money.
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The Cricket WC went from 8 to 9 to 14 participants, and then back to 10.
Anyone know why they recently made it smaller....too many one sided matches/ not enough quality in depth?? |
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Robbie Keane I am MALDING Joined: 30 Nov 2014 Location: Trumpton Status: Offline Points: 44659 |
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True, but to a point. We are now going to far the other way. When the World Cul goes to 48 teams appearing in it will be devalued, the way the Euros is now.
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But it also made football extremely elitist. Any young player not living in say Germany, Italy, NL, Brazil, Argentina etc had virtually zero hope of ever aspiring to play in a World Cup. The expansion and globalisation of the World Cup made the utmost sense : had it remained elitist it would have perhaps struggled.
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Robbie Keane I am MALDING Joined: 30 Nov 2014 Location: Trumpton Status: Offline Points: 44659 |
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It completely takes away from it. The bigger teams are guaranteed to qualify, what is the point in watching England or Germany? Even with the last format the Dutch missed out, they wouldn’t now. I actually feel sorry for the qualifier from ‘League D’. Georgia and Kosovo have proved themselves to be very capable sides, with continuous progression they may well have qualified in time and on merit, instead one of them will be given the pity prize and their qualification will have an asterisk. You could make the same argument if the Scots make it through, though I doubt they will. All I could think of when Denmark scored was that I wished this was the end of it. If we had beaten Denmark, by fluke, we would still have deserved it because the Danes would have f**ked up three times and us twice. The group table doesn’t lie. Instead, teams like the North and ourselves get rewarded for not being totally sh*te a few years ago. |
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twice the number of nations playing equals twice the number of advertising hoardings, twice the number of TV rights, a lot more jerseys sold.
The danger is that, the way it is going, very few countries have the infrastructure to support a tournament. Tournaments will end up rotating between USA, Germany, France and England.
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The golden age of international football was the 70's and 80's. The best four world cups were probably the ones spanning from 1970- 1982. It was unbelievably hard to qualify. England at a time when they had a huge amount of quality players only got to one world cup in the 70's Four years ago they started a deliberate policy of making it easier to qualify for the euros which definitely benefited us and MON.The current qualification system has brought it to a new level. Finland a team who never came close to qualifying for anything made it through with relative ease. It definitely devalues something that used to be a special achievement. They are just about to start the process of doing the same to the world cup.
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That's the bit I hate. We will be playing the same teams all the bloody time. It also devalues the qualifiers themselves. I am not sure but having a safety net of the playoff from the NL must have an effect subconsciously. I bet Mick McCarthy wasn't too disappointed to end up in the playoffs.
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It depends on your definition of competitive! Ireland will have played 12 competitive matches, and we all know the record, to get down to the last 36 teams in Europe. Nobody is disputing that friendlies need to be a thing of the past, but the NL should have no impact on qualifying. Leave it separate, with finals in each division and return to a proper Euros where every qualification match, even the dead rubbers, felt in some way important.
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Jimmy Raggatip
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being destroyed is an odd angle
if anything its being improved less pointless friendlies, more competitive matches and against teams in and around your own standard too.
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I won’t. The whole thing is a farce.
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Maccatacca
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Do Northern Ireland deserve to be in a play-off? Nope.
We got two points in the nations league, they got zero. But you’ll still get some on here saying they’re a great side and deserve to be there on merit. |
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You obviously don’t, that’s fine, but I do. It’s embarrassing we still have a chance really. Beat Georgia at home and we get playoff. We qualified for a play-off before either tournament began. It’s very hard to give a f**k about the match in Bosnia, I might feel different at the time, but now I am just disappointed that international football is being destroyed.
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Who gives a fook if we deserve nothing. We're still in the mix for qualification albeit just about.
We deserved nothing in the miracle victories against the Dutch in 01 and the Germans a few years back but I'll take that. Scotland won their NL group and were guaranteed a playoff place. They definitely have a lot more merit to be involved at this stage than us even if they were in a lower league. I prefer the old system. It takes the edge out of it when we knew that we could still qualify via the NL and last Monday night should've been the decider. Still looking forward to Slovakia next March.
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They are sh*te, unquestionably, but we are f**king atrocious! They deserve a play-off, based on at least winning their group, albeit a lower level. We deserve nothing.
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Worry about Slovakia first, wouldn't even think about the final yet. That all that matters for now.
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There's been a lot of muck flung at the team and manager in the past few days on this forum, and this is up there with the most outrageous. Scotland were in a 6-team group that had a 6th seed in it (San Marino), whereas Ireland were in a 5-team group which had no sixth seed. Scotland played two more games than us, (against the sixth seed), which is why they won more games than us (five versus three). They lost away to the fifth seed - Kazakhstan - who were in the same pot as Gibraltar, two places above (the former were seeded 47th, the latter 49th). Edited by rolo - 22 Nov 2019 at 10:32pm |
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