GAA football 2020

Green Devil wrote: For what it's worth, I don't think many people are actually blaming Dublin or trying to discredit what a fantastic team/operation they have and it's an easy cop out to dismiss those who have a genuine opinion and interest in the GAA as 'bitter culchies' I have always been an advocate of a draft system, whereby the GAA target the weakest counties and in turn give the most financial aid to. This money could not be spent on hiring Jim Gavin to manage to Leitrim for €50k a year but in terms of GDO's, Grassroots, Training Facilities, Coaching Structures etc. The smaller dual counties like Carlow, Westmeath, Laois etc who are doing huge work in terms of promoting Hurling should also be rewarded more than we'll say a county that doesn't do anything/much in terms of trying to help Hurling grow or in some cases counties in Munster that seriously lag way behind in helping Football develop.

Borussia wrote: Shedite wrote: Borussia wrote: Can somebody explain this "professional v amateurs" that has been mentioned here? These Dublin players work in the same way that most other inter county players work so how is there some sort of advantage there? I don't see many of them giving up their jobs to live of the sponsorship so that is a red herring. Very few of the Dubs work. Have a look at their profiles on their won website, all token jobs.  - James McCarthy "works" in AIB (ie rolled out for sponsors once a year), same with John Small,   - Dean Rock works in a leisure centre (can't imagine that's 40 hours a week).   - Philly McMahon is a "Company Executive" (does a few personal training stuff in a gym),   - Michael Fitzsimins is a "Entrpreneur" (I'll come up with a job eventually).  - Kilkenny is a 27 year old student,   - MDMA was in DCU for about 12 years to become a teacher (and hasn't been in the first team since he started working)  - At least Cooper, Howard, Murchan, Byrne and Scully just are honest and leave their Occupation field blank.  Borussia, do you reckon you or me could afford to live in Dublin on any of those job titles (or be unemployed)? AIG pay these lads to be full time GAA players, anyone who shows any ambition to do a full time propoer job (Cian O'Sullivan, Jack McCaffrey) are ostracised from the group for not being committed enough to the cause I got as far as Dean Rock and then stopped reading the rest of your post - Everybody who's picked up a paper over the past few years knows exactly what Dean Rock does so I can well imagine the rest of your post may be equally as untrue.

Dean Rock's charity gig? You really think that's his only income? Taking a full time wage from a charity?

Edited by Shedite - 21 Dec 2020 at 4:51pm

Green Devil wrote: Borussia wrote: Zinedine Kilbane 110 wrote: Green Devil wrote: For what it's worth, I don't think many people are actually blaming Dublin or trying to discredit what a fantastic team/operation they have and it's an easy cop out to dismiss those who have a genuine opinion and interest in the GAA as 'bitter culchies' I have always been an advocate of a draft system, whereby the GAA target the weakest counties and in turn give the most financial aid to. This money could not be spent on hiring Jim Gavin to manage to Leitrim for €50k a year but in terms of GDO's, Grassroots, Training Facilities, Coaching Structures etc. The smaller dual counties like Carlow, Westmeath, Laois etc who are doing huge work in terms of promoting Hurling should also be rewarded more than we'll say a county that doesn't do anything/much in terms of trying to help Hurling grow or in some cases counties in Munster that seriously lag way behind in helping Football develop. Spot on - the worst performing teams should get the most funding. It’s a simple process to implement. To keep funding the best county with 10x the funding of others just widens the gap.  So, how does this work in practice? Do you keep Games Development officers on one year contracts and tell them their employment will be reviewed on a yearly basis pending the outcomes of all inter-county championships at all grades i.e. Encourage them to be bad at their job as it would give them a better chance of long term employment?  Also, how do you define the "best county"? Dublin have won one provincial hurling championship in decades. Their record at minor level isn't good. Does that mean Dublin get more funding?  You have a very cynical way of looking at this, it's rather amusing. Why would it have to be over one year? A logical way of doing it would be over 5 years. How many counties have one good year where they over perform and then boom crash back down to earth for another 20 years before their purple patch comes again.  It wouldn't take a rocket scientist to grade teams either, re your post on Dublin Hurling. Why would they get more funding than say Wicklow or Sligo? Dublin are a top 8 county in Hurling, how much more help would they need seeing as the game is already growing at a rapid rate? The whole idea of a draft system is to help grow the sport in under performing counties, if that's a bad thing we all should give up.

No one can blame the dubs a excellent team.

Fruice wrote: No one can blame the dubs a excellent team. But if you really can’t see the unfairness of the whole competition you are mad. The dubs hold all the aces more players, more money and better facilities. Mark my words Cork have got their house in order and will become regular challengers in the next 10 years they have help with a bigger pick also but they have huge logistical problems that the dubs don’t suffer from. If you are genuinely interested in seeing the game growing something radically must be done

Borussia wrote: Fruice wrote: No one can blame the dubs a excellent team. But if you really can’t see the unfairness of the whole competition you are mad. The dubs hold all the aces more players, more money and better facilities. Mark my words Cork have got their house in order and will become regular challengers in the next 10 years they have help with a bigger pick also but they have huge logistical problems that the dubs don’t suffer from. If you are genuinely interested in seeing the game growing something radically must be done Such as? Not a loaded question - As I've said a few times already, this is a complex issue which probably needs complex solutions.

I'd also be in favour of the weakest counties getting the most funding. Dublin, kerry, mayo, Tyrone should be bottom of the list. If any county needed saving back when Dublin got the special treatment it was Antrim and Derry. Antrim in particular with the islands second biggest city. An absolute disgrace Dublin received about 20 times more when their population is only about half of Dublin's. Pure bias in favour of Dublin. Remember back then Antrim would give Dublin a competitive game in hurling? No chance of that these days.

I think the GAA could easily grade funding into 4 categories and base it over 5 years, put an emphasis on how their senior intercounty teams are performing in both codes as it's the easiest barometer to measure success or lack of. You would then also in a number of other factors like participation numbers, the desire of said county to promote either Hurling or Football in a traditional one code County, Coach Education Resources, GDO's per head of population etc

yisser getting away from the real facts here, culchies are bad losers, whinged moaney babies, ahhh bless. f**k Mayo , up the dubs,