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A lot of competition for places can only be a good thing. 
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Anyone on here tracking the Swiss squad for injuries, suspensions, lack of first team football etc.?
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Originally posted by Banjaxed Banjaxed wrote:

Originally posted by Borussia Borussia wrote:

Originally posted by Banjaxed Banjaxed wrote:

Originally posted by Borussia Borussia wrote:

Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

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Looking forward to people's heads falling off on here when Kenny also doesn't make silly decisions when manager. 

If including 1 young striker in a squad of 23 is "silly"; then we don't really have much chance, do we?

That's not silly. Including a player who has not played one minute of senior football is though with Parrott's talent you might make an exception. 

I think the whole Parrott arguement should boil down to Mick's opinion of Parrott and not Poch. 

Call him in, have a look. If through injuries Troy gets a break in Spurs team and does well, he would be getting a call up for October/November intern ational matches with prior (if limited) experience in the Irish set up. Also Mick can make a more informed decision on Troy if he does get game time at Spurs having already seen him in the flesh in next set up.

It's hard to see how the cons of calling him up even remotely outweigh the pros. 

As is a well worn debate, what exactly have the current forward line in the squad done to make them undroppable? 

I'd say compared to Parrott, they've played first team football.
I'd wouldn't be playing him against Switzerland. However, I would be keen to have him around the squad and if impresses then I'd give him some game time in the friendly.

Unless he's knocking in goals for Spurs, either would I. But substantial game time in Bulgaria friendly would give Mick greater clarity and confidence to put him into a future competitive game should things take off at spurs. 

Really, Josh Cullen, Nathan Collins, jack Byrne and Troy Parrott should be getting decent game time against Bulgaria. Otherwise, just scrap friendlies. Will be a total waste of blooding opportunity if only to give Shane Long  (and similar fringe players) another cap.
Would rather see these players line out against Armenia, the chances are these players will have little or no impact in this qualifying campaign and will end up being Stephen Kenny's players anyway so let's see how Parrot (who was an u17 International earlier this year) finds the step up to u21 level. 
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Originally posted by Borussia Borussia wrote:

Looking forward to people's heads falling off on here when Kenny also doesn't make silly decisions when manager. 

Not silly, just not decisions posters don't agree with, like not calling up a player, or calling up someone they wouldn't have, or playing someone where they wouldn't.
You know, like every other manager in history.
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Originally posted by Deane Deane wrote:

A lot of competition for places can only be a good thing. 

That sort of thinking is not permitted in Rep of Ireland.
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To be honest I don't really give a f**k what Mick does. He is here for one campaign and his job is to get us to the Euros. There is no point banging on about Crowley (even if there wasn't a paperwork issue which I'm skeptical on anyways) or Parrott or Egan displacing Keogh. Mick is a no nonsense tried and tested type of manager which is fine. Which is why I'm looking forward to Kenny coming in and actually taking a few risks and not fitting the stereotype for 'perfect' Irish manager.

There are lads in the squad that are no where near the level required and don't even have minutes playing for their clubs but yet could feature in a crunch home qualifier against a really solid Swiss side. It's just more of the same. I'll judge Mick at the end of this campaign and not before it. He won't change and he won't take a risk. 

As I said before we do need to beat 1 of the 2 top sides especially at home. 

However, you could probably put your mortgage on a boring nil all.


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Originally posted by kearney304 kearney304 wrote:

To be honest I don't really give a f**k what Mick does. He is here for one campaign and his job is to get us to the Euros. There is no point banging on about Crowley (even if there wasn't a paperwork issue which I'm skeptical on anyways) or Parrott or Egan displacing Keogh. Mick is a no nonsense tried and tested type of manager which is fine. Which is why I'm looking forward to Kenny coming in and actually taking a few risks and not fitting the stereotype for 'perfect' Irish manager.

There are lads in the squad that are no where near the level required and don't even have minutes playing for their clubs but yet could feature in a crunch home qualifier against a really solid Swiss side. It's just more of the same. I'll judge Mick at the end of this campaign and not before it. He won't change and he won't take a risk. 

As I said before we do need to beat 1 of the 2 top sides especially at home. 

However, you could probably put your mortgage on a boring nil all.

100% agree with this. Mick will be judged on qualifying for Euro 2020 solely. How can he be expected to take risks and give young players a chance when he's only here for 2 years. From his point of view hs job prospects will be enhanced if he gets Ireland to euro 2020 and does well. On the flip side they will be diminished if he doesn't qualify 
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...a couple of things .

they certainly wont sell many tickets if they dont play the young lads in friendlies , we all remember going to these games to see the new players. 

we must beat switzerland , if we do it we are almost there. 

i think stephen kenny is going to be a disaster as manager.  
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Originally posted by RogerMilla RogerMilla wrote:

...a couple of things .

they certainly wont sell many tickets if they dont play the young lads in friendlies , we all remember going to these games to see the new players. 

we must beat switzerland , if we do it we are almost there. 

i think stephen kenny is going to be a disaster as manager.  

Is there any chance (given all the shoite going on in the ranks at the moment) that he could be shafted re his appointment? God knows what sort of contracts they drew up. 
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Originally posted by RogerMilla RogerMilla wrote:

...a couple of things .

they certainly wont sell many tickets if they dont play the young lads in friendlies , we all remember going to these games to see the new players. 

we must beat switzerland , if we do it we are almost there. 

i think stephen kenny is going to be a disaster as manager.  

The problem as I see it we have thrown massive money on "World class managers" when the squad has been utter tripe but the first sign of light at the end of the tunnel with regards the prospect of genuine talent coming through and we appoint a manager with no international experience with the exception of less than a full u21 qualification campaign. 
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Originally posted by RogerMilla RogerMilla wrote:

...a couple of things .

they certainly wont sell many tickets if they dont play the young lads in friendlies , we all remember going to these games to see the new players. 

we must beat switzerland , if we do it we are almost there. 

i think stephen kenny is going to be a disaster as manager.  

If Kenny gets 5 campaigns and manages to qualify for 1 he will have the same strike rate as Our Mick who for some farcical reason is lauded still by a lot of supporters.

Kenny will be working from a very low base and will have to rebuild an entire squad from scratch, so the demands on him should reflect that situation. Of course they won't, but they should.
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McCarthy’s rebuilding job in the mid 1990s was monumental. When you look at the aged player we were using to qualify for Euro 96 you realise what a job of work needed to be done, especially if a long term strategy was to be implemented, even taking into account the “Three Amigos”, Keane, Kenna and Kennedy. More needed to be done that just building them around Irwin, Staunton, Townsend and Quinn.

He got some excellent results in his time and the WC 2002 group was the toughest we had faced since the 1980s.
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Would agree about the toughness of the 02 group. Wouldn't agree about the monumental rebuild job. Just because a squad has gotten older and many need to be moved doesn't mean the rebuild was monumental. There were lots of quality younger Irish players around at that point.
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It was Babb, McAteer and Gary Kelly, who sprung to prominence just before the '94 World Cup, who were known as the 'Three Amigos', no?

The age profile of the squad was so high towards the end of Charlton's reign that Jeff Kenna won Young Player of the Year at the age of 25.


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Not disputing anything about the age profile of Charltons squad.
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Originally posted by NewtNewbie NewtNewbie wrote:

It was Babb, McAteer and Gary Kelly, who sprung to prominence just before the '94 World Cup, who were known as the 'Three Amigos', no?

The age profile of the squad was so high towards the end of Charlton's reign that Jeff Kenna won Young Player of the Year at the age of 25.
They were. What he meant was the ‘three amigos’ and Keane, Kenna and Kennedy.
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Go onto Sofascore and look up both squads and see the difference in values between us and the Swiss squad 

Scary how far were behind 
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Originally posted by Hans Moleman Hans Moleman wrote:

Would agree about the toughness of the 02 group. Wouldn't agree about the monumental rebuild job. Just because a squad has gotten older and many need to be moved doesn't mean the rebuild was monumental. There were lots of quality younger Irish players around at that point.

So basically Hans you don't like McCarthy and won't give him any credit for anything. Yah? 
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