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Posted: 06 Sep 2019 at 7:44pm

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What was last nights attendance?

44,111 was the official figure

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Posted: 06 Sep 2019 at 7:21pm

What was last nights attendance?

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Posted: 06 Sep 2019 at 6:36pm

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And we are top of the group with 3 games to go, qualification is in our own hands (albeit a difficult task).

Kenny is using the 2 years as 21's manager to develop the next gen of players into his style, so that when they do step up in the next few years they'll be ready.

I think this is a good approach by the FAI.

To be fair, there team have 11 points (barring a Gibraltar miracle)

But totally agree here.

I don't think Mick is a dinosaur either, the first half seen us try to play the ball out from the goalkeeper which you would never see under MON

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Posted: 06 Sep 2019 at 6:13pm

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Trap - dinosaur.
O'Neill - dinosaur
McCarthy - dinosaur
Kenny - no dinosaur -

Kenny who is going to turn a bunch of potential youngsters (who mostly have never played a senior game of football in their lives (plying their trade for teams outside top divisions)) into this tiki taka, creative and dynamic team who will out play players who have been performing at the top levels of football for years.

True HB.

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Kenny - dinosaur -

Eh not exactly true.

When we refer someone as a dinosaur it’s regarding the extremely outdated 5 in midfield system. It’s about 3 and a half years out of date.

As discussed only a few pages back results under Kenny are expected to decline but if he keeps the dinosaur system then its a completely pointless appointment. I’m prepared to accept less than ideal results whilst trying out his own ideas and players and I hope the rest of the fans will as it’ll be a transition period for Irish football.

Edited by coyne - 06 Sep 2019 at 6:14pm

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Posted: 06 Sep 2019 at 4:09pm

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I find it funny that people really think Mick is going to step aside if they qualify for Euro.

There is no way he won't want to stay on for WC. Handshake agreements are meaningless.

The state of every performance so far. Pure pure grit and determination has got a point against Switzerland and Denmark. By right this group should be over by now.

I think the general public like Mick, but I don't think there's going to be any clamour to keep him on. There might be some good times over the next 9 months. We may qualify for the euros. We may even get out of the group again. Fundamentally I think people want change. People see the new crop of players coming through and want a new manager who hopefully will play a more progressive style.

maybe it will be a completely failed experiment and we will just know our place in the footballing world, but this idea of not even trying something different and instead just hoofing the ball for the rest of our days really isn't a long-term tactic.

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Posted: 06 Sep 2019 at 4:07pm

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While watching the game last night I was thinking to myself, maybe it wasn’t just trap or o’neills fault.

I do think we are a bit more positive under Mick but our biggest shortcomings are nothing tactic related, it’s the players. Some of our players struggle to control basic passes. So everything is much more laboured and forceful, rather than slick.

You can’t fault the players, they give it their all apart from henderick who I think is too much of a passenger at times. He can be great in bursts, which makes it even more frustrating.

I think if we had one top level central midfielder we would be so much better. Not sure who that player could be even looking at the U21.

Did like that guy hodge. Imagine we had Rice and Grealish still, think that would be the difference between being a distant 3rd best in the group vs being the best or close enough

Our squad is simply not as good as that of Denmark or Switzerland. But there's no disgrace in that and Mick even admitted last night we're not the best team in the group.

We could do with a couple of top class midfielders instead of the journeymen we have, but it is what it is and we're doing very well to remain in contention.

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Posted: 06 Sep 2019 at 3:55pm

And we are top of the group with 3 games to go, qualification is in our own hands (albeit a difficult task).

Kenny is using the 2 years as 21's manager to develop the next gen of players into his style, so that when they do step up in the next few years they'll be ready.

I think this is a good approach by the FAI.

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Posted: 06 Sep 2019 at 3:52pm

t_rAndy wrote:

While watching the game last night I was thinking to myself, maybe it wasn’t just trap or o’neills fault.

When they're at their clubs they're surrounded by at least a couple of footballers who can control a ball and have good technique I suppose. Must make a difference, and make them look a bit better

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Posted: 06 Sep 2019 at 3:52pm

I find it funny that people really think Mick is going to step aside if they qualify for Euro.

There is no way he won't want to stay on for WC. Handshake agreements are meaningless.

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Posted: 06 Sep 2019 at 3:48pm

We haven’t qualified for a World Cup in 20 years. What do we have to lose? I suppose we’re going to find out.

But we need institutional progress and development. The Swiss changed, the Swedish changed, the Portuguese changed, the Belgians changed, the Austrians changed, the Welsh changed, even the f**king English changed. We stood still, now we struggle to beat them. We had a good twenty years where we could kick them around the place and get results.

As a caveat, I like McCarthy and I think he’s done a job improving performances and lifting the players. He also deserves respect for his past as a player and manager in green.

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Posted: 06 Sep 2019 at 3:42pm

Rice is a DM with total control of the ball, and the ability to pass. His maturity is unparalleled amongst his age group. Grealish would have the ability to unlock other teams and give us that guile needed to create something from very little. If Liam Kelly could perform weekly like he can do, that would also make a difference.

You have a point. I think one of the major problems is the almost total lack of skill. What works for this team is that it has mastered a protective mindset, with a willingness to play bits of football. But inherently, last night showed very little in the way of basic skill.

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Posted: 06 Sep 2019 at 3:42pm

True HB.

Post-2022 qualifiers if we fail to qualify

Kenny - dinosaur -

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Posted: 06 Sep 2019 at 3:37pm

Trap - dinosaur.
O'Neill - dinosaur
McCarthy - dinosaur
Kenny - no dinosaur -

Kenny who is going to turn a bunch of potential youngsters (who mostly have never played a senior game of football in their lives (plying their trade for teams outside top divisions)) into this tiki taka, creative and dynamic team who will out play players who have been performing at the top levels of football for years.

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Posted: 06 Sep 2019 at 3:32pm

While watching the game last night I was thinking to myself, maybe it wasn’t just trap or o’neills fault.

You can’t fault the players, they give it their all apart from henderick who I think is too much of a passenger at times. He can be great in bursts, which makes it even more frustrating.

I think if we had one top level central midfielder we would be so much better. Not sure who that player could be even looking at the U21.

Did like that guy hodge. Imagine we had Rice and Grealish still, think that would be the difference between being a distant 3rd best in the group vs being the best or close enough

Edited by t_rAndy - 06 Sep 2019 at 3:40pm

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Posted: 06 Sep 2019 at 3:26pm

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I really can't help but think that this qualifying campaign was a missed opportunity to overhaul the whole set up (of course it's great we're still in with a chance of qualifying) and gave Stephen Kenny a free hit at blooding as many players into the set up as possible, while also implementing a style of play.

In the short to medium future it will most definitely get worse before it gets better, I said some time ago that while we may continue to grind out results against better opposition our luck will soon run out and we will then spend a number of years in the international wilderness.

World Cup 2014 Qualifying - 0 wins from 6 games against Germany, Sweden and Austria

Euro 2016 Qualifying - 1 win from 6 games against Germany, Poland and Scotland

World Cup 2018 Qualifying - 2 wins from 6 games against Serbia, Wales and Austria

Euro 2020 Qualifying - 0 from 2 games Denmark and Switzerland

3 wins in 20 games against the better sides in our qualifying groups.

4 wins in 24 games if you include play off games against Bosnia and Denmark.

The odd victory and plucky draws will start turning into defeats very very soon and I would be shocked if we took anything off Denmark or Switzerland in our last two games.

I never really understand the qualifying 'free hit' type mentality. Why would that be a good idea? Surely the aim is to qualify for tournaments? I for one hate watching the World cup or Euros with us sitting at home. We are in a good position in the group and it is entirely possible we could go into the last game against Denmark at home needing a win to qualify. Considering where we were a year ago that would be an excellent campaign and who would write us off taking revenge on the cocky Danes?

It's rather simple to grasp, no?

We play a putrid brand of football, constantly riding our luck in games (nabbing draws especially) and are showing no signs of evolving with the majority of the rest of Europe in our style of play.

Seeing as we have an array of really good young players coming through, do you honestly think they'll be ready to slot straight in the first 11 in just over a years time when we're looking to replace a lot of the players who simply aren't of the required standard?

The bigger picture here is that if we don't qualify for Euro 2020 it will be read 2 tournaments qualified for in 18 years.

But aye, once we're grinding out draws and blagging the odd win against sides around our ranking or higher is going to come back to bite us in the arse.

I understand the point but I don't understand the mentality. We have the spine of a team whilst the rest can be phased out. For instance the back 5 bar Keogh has a few campaigns left. In midfield Robinson has broken through- Hendrick and Hourihane are in their late 20's as is McCarthy if he could stay fit. Sure up front we are very light but McGoldrick has probably been our best player over the course of the campaign so far. Hogan may offer something going forward. The playing style is based on pragmatism at the moment. Hopefully Kenny who showed in Europe with Dundalk he can be pragmatic and punch above the teams weight will operate the same type of way. Whilst also hoping to see better football we still won't play like Barcelona. A 'free hit' of a campaign with absolutely no guarantee that a) it would be successful or b) that it would lead to better results long term I don't understand that.

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