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Originally posted by BrendanD88 BrendanD88 wrote:

Signing Lewandowksi shows how far they’ve fallen? 

They were also able to sign Raphina ahead of Chelsea, fact remains the best players still want to play for either Real Madrid or Barcelona.

Barca were in the market for a goalscoring No.9. The 22 y.o. Haaland is the standout candidate. Even 3 or 4 years ago, had Barca wanted such a player, they'd have got him.

Instead they had to settle for a 33 y.o, whose best years must now be behind him.

Originally posted by BrendanD88 BrendanD88 wrote:

I have no doubt had Madrid chased Haaland instead of Mbappe he would be a Madrid player.

I'm not doubting RM's preeminence in the European game, nor predicitng that that will change. My point is that the rest of Spanish football, including Barca, has been unable to keep up with them domestically, never mind in European terms.
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Originally posted by Roberto Baggio Roberto Baggio wrote:

Yeah he'll be praying his career path takes a similar route to that of Eric Garcia and Ferran Torres i'm sure

City don't sell their best players in their prime
Tbf, they have just sold Jesus (25) and Sterling (27). Though not to Spain.
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Originally posted by Hotlips_Hoolahan Hotlips_Hoolahan wrote:

I'm positive I read that Haaland and his agents have his career mapped out and Real Madrid is the next step after City. So City are basically a stepping stone towards something bigger, much like Dortmund.

I repeat, RM do not constitute the whole of La Liga.

Though it's an easy mistake to make.
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Settling for Lewandowksi Embarrassed

The arrogance of English Premier League fans LOL
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You'd swear Man Utd putting in a bid lower than what Atletico Madrid paid for Joao Felix isn't headline news or something.

And LOL at the shots at Barca over their finances considering the money laundering, financial mismanagement and fraud going on in the PL over the last twenty years (Chelsea most recent and glaring example).

And even with all the financial doping and player hoarding they still lose virtually every major European final to a Spanish team whether it's Real Madrid, Sevilla or Espanyol.


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And in further news today, Sporting have announced the sale of the latest graduate from their production line of talent, the 23 y.o. Portugese international, Matheus Nunes, for £38m.

He (predictably) has gone to England, but not to one of the Big Six, rather to Wolves. The point being that in former years, such a player would almost certainly have gone to a Spanish club, rather than  a second-rank English one.

And this is a perfect example of how money talks ever louder these days. For Transfermarkt reveals that outwith RM and Barca, the other 18 La Liga clubs have so far this summer made a net transfer spend of $80m between them - less eg than Nottingham Forest alone! Not only that, but the majority of their signings have been frees or loans, with only 4 of the 18 having spent more than $10m on a player:

Of course, we cannot entirely write off the ability of Spanish clubs to sniff out  value, versus the ability of (certain) English clubs to waste money on transfers. But in the long run, the trend is running against La Liga and in favour of the EPL.

Which is why Transfermarkt assigns a transfer value of $5.4bn to all the player in La Liga, versus $101bn to EPL players.
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Originally posted by BrendanD88 BrendanD88 wrote:

Settling for Lewandowksi Embarrassed

The arrogance of English Premier League fans LOL

If you owned a top European club which needed a No.9, which player would you rather sign, Lewandowski (33) for €50m, or Haaland (22) for €60m?

(I should point out that there is only one correct answer to this question)


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Originally posted by Territorial Territorial wrote:

And in further news today, Sporting have announced the sale of the latest graduate from their production line of talent, the 23 y.o. Portugese international, Matheus Nunes, for £38m.

He (predictably) has gone to England, but not to one of the Big Six, rather to Wolves. The point being that in former years, such a player would almost certainly have gone to a Spanish club, rather than  a second-rank English one.

And this is a perfect example of how money talks ever louder these days. For Transfermarkt reveals that outwith RM and Barca, the other 18 La Liga clubs have so far this summer made a net transfer spend of $80m between them - less eg than Nottingham Forest alone! Not only that, but the majority of their signings have been frees or loans, with only 4 of the 18 having spent more than $10m on a player:

Of course, we cannot entirely write off the ability of Spanish clubs to sniff out  value, versus the ability of (certain) English clubs to waste money on transfers. But in the long run, the trend is running against La Liga and in favour of the EPL.

Which is why Transfermarkt assigns a transfer value of $5.4bn to all the player in La Liga, versus $101bn to EPL players.

You must not be aware of the Wolves/Mendes relationship, these type of signings have been happening for years! Keep up.
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Originally posted by Territorial Territorial wrote:

Originally posted by BrendanD88 BrendanD88 wrote:

Settling for Lewandowksi Embarrassed

The arrogance of English Premier League fans LOL

If you owned a top European club which needed a No.9, which player would you rather sign, Lewandowski (33) for €50m, or Haaland (22) for €60m?

(I should point out that there is only one correct answer to this question)

You honestly think Man City only paid €60m for Haaland? Bless.
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Originally posted by Hotlips_Hoolahan Hotlips_Hoolahan wrote:

And LOL at the shots at Barca over their finances considering the money laundering, financial mismanagement and fraud going on in the PL over the last twenty years (Chelsea most recent and glaring example).

The point is that however they've come by it it, English clubs have got the money.

Whereas Barca can only acquire the money to compete with them by remortgaging against future revenues. Which means that the only way they can hope to manage without those future revenues is by winning trophies* at both Spanish and European level.

That is a massive gamble, and all before you even look at their debts, and need to rebuild the Camp Nou!


* - Have you been watching them over the last 3 seasons?

Originally posted by Hotlips_Hoolahan Hotlips_Hoolahan wrote:

And even with all the financial doping and player hoarding they still lose virtually every major European final to a Spanish team whether it's Real Madrid, Sevilla or Espanyol.
The facts show that English clubs have consistently made more progress overall in Europe over the last five years than those from every other league, including La Liga:
https://www.uefa.com/nationalassociations/uefarankings/country/#/yr/2022

(I hadn't thought the above chart was very difficult to understand, but if you're still struggling, perhaps you can get someone to explain it to you?)
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Originally posted by Territorial Territorial wrote:

And in further news today, Sporting have announced the sale of the latest graduate from their production line of talent, the 23 y.o. Portugese international, Matheus Nunes, for £38m.

He (predictably) has gone to England, but not to one of the Big Six, rather to Wolves. The point being that in former years, such a player would almost certainly have gone to a Spanish club, rather than  a second-rank English one.

And this is a perfect example of how money talks ever louder these days. For Transfermarkt reveals that outwith RM and Barca, the other 18 La Liga clubs have so far this summer made a net transfer spend of $80m between them - less eg than Nottingham Forest alone! Not only that, but the majority of their signings have been frees or loans, with only 4 of the 18 having spent more than $10m on a player:

Of course, we cannot entirely write off the ability of Spanish clubs to sniff out  value, versus the ability of (certain) English clubs to waste money on transfers. But in the long run, the trend is running against La Liga and in favour of the EPL.

Which is why Transfermarkt assigns a transfer value of $5.4bn to all the player in La Liga, versus $101bn to EPL players.
It’s about winning trophies, not how much you spend. All of what you say is irrelevant. Spanish teams win either the CL or EL almost every season. I don’t think any Villarreal fan gives a sh*t about Nottingham Forest spending 10’s of millions on players. Their Europa League crown the season before last is much more important. You’ll be counting Twitter retweets next.
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Originally posted by FrankosHereNow FrankosHereNow wrote:

Originally posted by Territorial Territorial wrote:

And in further news today, Sporting have announced the sale of the latest graduate from their production line of talent, the 23 y.o. Portugese international, Matheus Nunes, for £38m.

He (predictably) has gone to England, but not to one of the Big Six, rather to Wolves. The point being that in former years, such a player would almost certainly have gone to a Spanish club, rather than  a second-rank English one.

And this is a perfect example of how money talks ever louder these days. For Transfermarkt reveals that outwith RM and Barca, the other 18 La Liga clubs have so far this summer made a net transfer spend of $80m between them - less eg than Nottingham Forest alone! Not only that, but the majority of their signings have been frees or loans, with only 4 of the 18 having spent more than $10m on a player:

Of course, we cannot entirely write off the ability of Spanish clubs to sniff out  value, versus the ability of (certain) English clubs to waste money on transfers. But in the long run, the trend is running against La Liga and in favour of the EPL.

Which is why Transfermarkt assigns a transfer value of $5.4bn to all the player in La Liga, versus $101bn to EPL players.
It’s about winning trophies, not how much you spend. All of what you say is irrelevant. Spanish teams win either the CL or EL almost every season. I don’t think any Villarreal fan gives a sh*t about Nottingham Forest spending 10’s of millions on players. Their Europa League crown the season before last is much more important. You’ll be counting Twitter retweets next.

You can stick your Europa League, we've got Harry Toffolo.
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Originally posted by FrankosHereNow FrankosHereNow wrote:

Originally posted by Territorial Territorial wrote:

And in further news today, Sporting have announced the sale of the latest graduate from their production line of talent, the 23 y.o. Portugese international, Matheus Nunes, for £38m.

He (predictably) has gone to England, but not to one of the Big Six, rather to Wolves. The point being that in former years, such a player would almost certainly have gone to a Spanish club, rather than  a second-rank English one.

And this is a perfect example of how money talks ever louder these days. For Transfermarkt reveals that outwith RM and Barca, the other 18 La Liga clubs have so far this summer made a net transfer spend of $80m between them - less eg than Nottingham Forest alone! Not only that, but the majority of their signings have been frees or loans, with only 4 of the 18 having spent more than $10m on a player:

Of course, we cannot entirely write off the ability of Spanish clubs to sniff out  value, versus the ability of (certain) English clubs to waste money on transfers. But in the long run, the trend is running against La Liga and in favour of the EPL.

Which is why Transfermarkt assigns a transfer value of $5.4bn to all the player in La Liga, versus $101bn to EPL players.
It’s about winning trophies, not how much you spend. All of what you say is irrelevant. Spanish teams win either the CL or EL almost every season. I don’t think any Villarreal fan gives a sh*t about Nottingham Forest spending 10’s of millions on players. Their Europa League crown the season before last is much more important. You’ll be counting Twitter retweets next.

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Originally posted by Hotlips_Hoolahan Hotlips_Hoolahan wrote:

Originally posted by FrankosHereNow FrankosHereNow wrote:

Originally posted by Territorial Territorial wrote:

And in further news today, Sporting have announced the sale of the latest graduate from their production line of talent, the 23 y.o. Portugese international, Matheus Nunes, for £38m.

He (predictably) has gone to England, but not to one of the Big Six, rather to Wolves. The point being that in former years, such a player would almost certainly have gone to a Spanish club, rather than  a second-rank English one.

And this is a perfect example of how money talks ever louder these days. For Transfermarkt reveals that outwith RM and Barca, the other 18 La Liga clubs have so far this summer made a net transfer spend of $80m between them - less eg than Nottingham Forest alone! Not only that, but the majority of their signings have been frees or loans, with only 4 of the 18 having spent more than $10m on a player:

Of course, we cannot entirely write off the ability of Spanish clubs to sniff out  value, versus the ability of (certain) English clubs to waste money on transfers. But in the long run, the trend is running against La Liga and in favour of the EPL.

Which is why Transfermarkt assigns a transfer value of $5.4bn to all the player in La Liga, versus $101bn to EPL players.
It’s about winning trophies, not how much you spend. All of what you say is irrelevant. Spanish teams win either the CL or EL almost every season. I don’t think any Villarreal fan gives a sh*t about Nottingham Forest spending 10’s of millions on players. Their Europa League crown the season before last is much more important. You’ll be counting Twitter retweets next.

You can stick your Europa League, we've got Harry Toffolo.
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Originally posted by BrendanD88 BrendanD88 wrote:

Originally posted by Territorial Territorial wrote:

And in further news today, Sporting have announced the sale of the latest graduate from their production line of talent, the 23 y.o. Portugese international, Matheus Nunes, for £38m.
You must not be aware of the Wolves/Mendes relationship, these type of signings have been happening for years! Keep up.

I am well aware of it (also Wolves' Portugese manager). But why do you imagine Mendes does so much business with a club like Wolves?

Fact is, he doesn't give a damn who his players sign for, so long as (a ) he feels it will advance his players' careers, and (b ) the buying club can afford to give him his cut.

Quite simply, had a Spanish club offered better terms, to Sporting, the player, and him  personally, that's where he would have directed his client.

Alhough I suppose it is just possible that both he and player prefer the delights of the Black Country over those of the Costa del Sol? LOL
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Originally posted by Territorial Territorial wrote:

Originally posted by BrendanD88 BrendanD88 wrote:

Originally posted by Territorial Territorial wrote:

And in further news today, Sporting have announced the sale of the latest graduate from their production line of talent, the 23 y.o. Portugese international, Matheus Nunes, for £38m.
You must not be aware of the Wolves/Mendes relationship, these type of signings have been happening for years! Keep up.

I am well aware of it (also Wolves' Portugese manager). But why do you imagine Mendes does so much business with a club like Wolves?

Fact is, he doesn't give a damn who his players sign for, so long as (a ) he feels it will advance his players' careers, and (b ) the buying club can afford to give him his cut.

Quite simply, had a Spanish club offered better terms, to Sporting, the player, and him  personally, that's where he would have directed his client.

Alhough I suppose it is just possible that both he and player prefer the delights of the Black Country over those of the Costa del Sol? LOL

Quite simply, had Manchester City offered better terms, to Sporting, the player, and him personally, that’s where he would have directed his client.

I honestly have no idea what point you’re trying to make here.
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Originally posted by FrankosHereNow FrankosHereNow wrote:

It’s about winning trophies, not how much you spend. All of what you say is irrelevant. Spanish teams win either the CL or EL almost every season. I don’t think any Villarreal fan gives a sh*t about Nottingham Forest spending 10’s of millions on players. Their Europa League crown the season before last is much more important. You’ll be counting Twitter retweets next.
Of course it's about winning trophies, but as that famous "Little Englander" Arsene Wenger once pointed out, qualifying for Europe is the equivalent of "winning a trophy", because the financial rewards mean that you can continue to reinvest in the team, in order to go on winning trophies.

And European football is not a "winner takes all" concept financially, which is why it is important to progress through the rounds as well. Which itself is only what English clubs have done more successfully than any others in recent years.

As for Villareal, who's to say that in 30 or 40 years their fans won't be looking back on their recent successes as a "Golden Age", when they punched above their weight in Europe under a charismatic manager. etc?

You know, like (ahem) Nottingham Forest fans have been doing for the last 30 or 40 years... Wink
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Originally posted by Territorial Territorial wrote:

Originally posted by FrankosHereNow FrankosHereNow wrote:

It’s about winning trophies, not how much you spend. All of what you say is irrelevant. Spanish teams win either the CL or EL almost every season. I don’t think any Villarreal fan gives a sh*t about Nottingham Forest spending 10’s of millions on players. Their Europa League crown the season before last is much more important. You’ll be counting Twitter retweets next.
Of course it's about winning trophies, but as that famous "Little Englander" Arsene Wenger once pointed out, qualifying for Europe is the equivalent of "winning a trophy", because the financial rewards mean that you can continue to reinvest in the team, in order to go on winning trophies.

And European football is not a "winner takes all" concept financially, which is why it is important to progress through the rounds as well. Which itself is only what English clubs have done more successfully than any others in recent years.

As for Villareal, who's to say that in 30 or 40 years their fans won't be looking back on their recent successes as a "Golden Age", when they punched above their weight in Europe under a charismatic manager. etc?

You know, like (ahem) Nottingham Forest fans have been doing for the last 30 or 40 years... Wink
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