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Actually think the two games we played in Orlando were two of worst following Ireland the heat was unbelievable I was only 9 at the time but I remember it just being horrific.

Ifrc the Dutch had been based there so we're used to it compared to ourselves going to new Jersey for two games 
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Originally posted by lassassinblanc lassassinblanc wrote:

Actually think the two games we played in Orlando were two of worst following Ireland the heat was unbelievable I was only 9 at the time but I remember it just being horrific.

Ifrc the Dutch had been based there so we're used to it compared to ourselves going to new Jersey for two games 


The EIRE were based in Orlando and travelled up to New York for the games only. 
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Originally posted by Trap junior Trap junior wrote:

Originally posted by lassassinblanc lassassinblanc wrote:

Actually think the two games we played in Orlando were two of worst following Ireland the heat was unbelievable I was only 9 at the time but I remember it just being horrific.

Ifrc the Dutch had been based there so we're used to it compared to ourselves going to new Jersey for two games 


The EIRE were based in Orlando and travelled up to New York for the games only. 

Big difference between training and playing games there
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Originally posted by lassassinblanc lassassinblanc wrote:

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Originally posted by lassassinblanc lassassinblanc wrote:

Actually think the two games we played in Orlando were two of worst following Ireland the heat was unbelievable I was only 9 at the time but I remember it just being horrific.

Ifrc the Dutch had been based there so we're used to it compared to ourselves going to new Jersey for two games 


The EIRE were based in Orlando and travelled up to New York for the games only. 

Big difference between training and playing games there


But we did play games there.  The Dutch played one more.  Not sure it made a difference.  The Dutch were better.  There were signs that Jack's time was up as early as September 1993.
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Jesus, this thread would depress ya LOL
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Amazingly nobody has mentioned Saipan have they?  Who was at fault for that whole debacle?
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Kieft's goal was a hammer blow but we went home with our heads held high in 88.

Egypt was a major disappointment in 90.  There was a plane waiting in Palermo airport to take the team home after the Dutch game that Quinner managed to cancel.  We got semi final tickets that day as the FAI offloaded tickets.  Losing to Italy was no disgrace and we thought we'd lost to the eventual winners again.

The Dutch game was a major blow.  We really thought we'd beat them.  We were ranked 6th in the World at that stage having beaten the Dutch and the Germans away in warm ups.  the heat was a factor in the Mexico game but it was much cooler v the Dutch.     

Expectations were low after Saipan so I was very happy with 2002.  OK we could have pushed on in extra time and taken better penalties but still a decent effort.

2012 was as others have said a big letdown.  

The Belgium performance in 2016 was a letdown.  We were poor I thought.   

Packie was a superb keeper btw. He had a bad day in Orlando.  I think the backpass rule which came in maybe in 92 cut short his career.  He would never cut in in a Pep or Klopp side.  However he was a fine shot stopper and commanded his area very well.    
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Originally posted by Devrozex Devrozex wrote:

Originally posted by Drumcondra 69er Drumcondra 69er wrote:

Originally posted by Devrozex Devrozex wrote:

Originally posted by Ibaraki Ibaraki wrote:

Packie in Orlando v Netherlands 
 
And in Rome vs Italy.

Not remotely comparable. 
 
In what way? They were both pretty poor mistakes, albeit the 94' one was worse.

Ah, the '94 one was an absolute howler, '90 was a bit unfortunate. Ball came to him swerving from the original shot and he saved it, was a bit unlucky it rebounded straight to Schillaci. 

It's become a bit of revisionism to chalk it down as a howler by some, no one was saying that at the time. The Jonk one was a horror show. You can see in the difference to his reaction to each goal which would be judged a big error by players. 
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Originally posted by Trap junior Trap junior wrote:

Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Originally posted by Trap junior Trap junior wrote:

Still can't forgive Shay Given for Euro 2012.    

In fairness there was more than just players playing through the pain barrier. The nonsense for leaving Coleman at home etc made the tournament a real farce.


Dave O'LEARY was left out of the Euro 88 squad as was Liam BRADY.  I didn't have a big issue with Coleman as he was young and had a poor season at Everton.  Trap probably overtrained the players and should have dropped Dunne and Given and taken the decision out of their hands.

Given said he couldn't jump off his left leg FFS and was getting treatment off the German team doctor on the day of the Croatia match unknown to everybody.  He went way down in my estimation that day.

Brady was injured in 88 and would have been suspended for the first two games even if he'd been fit.

Coleman himself has said he didn't deserve to be picked in 2012 as he'd been p1ss poor in 2011/12 after a great season the year before.
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Coleman didn't go to Euro 2012  because he didn't deserve to. He had barely played in the previous six months. He completed 90 minutes in only six games that season, and none after the new year. His last start was in March, and only appeared in the three more games before the end of the season.
Hibbert got injured early the next season, so Coleman played pretty much every game, and got back to his previous form. That 's when people started asking why he didn't go to Poland.

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2012 changed things for us.

In every tournament we played we always gave as good as we got but 2012 lowered the bar for us. And it has stayed that low since. 
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Worst moment was the final whistle of the game against Italy in 1990. We showed great resolve in that tournament to come from behind to get creitable draws against decent teams. Right to the final whistle there was still believe that we could muster an equaliser. In 1988, once the Dutch scored we all knew it was curtains. Not too hard on Bonner for the mistake in Orlando, the Dutch were worth of a 2-0 win that day. Whatever errors Bonner made,his heroic performance on that golden sunny afternoon in Stuttgart forgives a lot.
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Originally posted by BabbsBalls BabbsBalls wrote:

2012 changed things for us.

In every tournament we played we always gave as good as we got but 2012 lowered the bar for us. And it has stayed that low since. 

The worst performance at euro 2012 wasn’t even on
The pitch. 

AidoM doing Old McDonnell had a farm
And going full chicken is as embarrassing as anything traps team did at euro 2012. 
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Sad thing about Euro 2012 was after the first game, we knew we were f*cked. And that it was only going to get worse. 
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Given's career went on some downward spiral after Euro 2012. 

Was he ever first choice for club again in his career?? 

I've grown to dislike him since, he shouldn't have been playing in the first place


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Originally posted by Mr. Snrub Mr. Snrub wrote:

Given's career went on some downward spiral after Euro 2012. 

Was he ever first choice for club again in his career?? 

I've grown to dislike him since, he shouldn't have been playing in the first place
 


He was nowhere near 100% fit for the Euros. If he had any sense he'd have made himself unavailable 
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Originally posted by cliffrichard cliffrichard wrote:

2012 was an absolute pox of a tournament. Waiting ten years to qualify and the whole gig more or less over after one half of football. The Spain game was the pits.

If we’re completely honest with ourselves, that 4-0 loss was the expected result. They weren’t just the reigning world and European champions, that Spanish side was one of the all-time greatest teams.

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Playing the dead fixture in Poland. What made it worse was that we didn’t even give some of the lads a game.  
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