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Posted: 10 May 2023 at 2:29pm |
Still has a play off coming up too.
Very good judge of all things English lower level footy told me a few weeks ago he reckons Connell will be a Championship footballer regardless of them going up or not. Hope he’s right.
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Posted: 10 May 2023 at 2:44pm |
Connell looks a lot to me like Kilkenny and they both resemble Hourihane. In so far as they are not massively mobile but are good passers. I'm being simplistic, but if all three were the same age, Hourihane (on this past season) would be the best of them.
I guess the main point is that the two lads are young and may still develop, but that's where I see them as it stands.
Happy to be ridiculed on this.
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Posted: 10 May 2023 at 4:49pm |
It was just a flash in pan at Bolton though!
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Posted: 10 May 2023 at 5:17pm |
It will be revealing to see what interest, if any, he gets from better teams than Barnsley. He's done all he can this season to seal a better move so fair play to him.
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Posted: 10 May 2023 at 6:56pm |
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Connell was given the young player of the season award for Barnsley.
I still feel he'll be a senior international and was totally wasted at Celtic, a graveyard for Irish youngsters |
Roca Vatta was playing for them at 17 and is getting a run out these days.
If your good enough you'll get your chance.
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Posted: 10 May 2023 at 7:38pm |
horsebox wrote:
Mr. Snrub wrote:
Connell was given the young player of the season award for Barnsley.
I still feel he'll be a senior international and was totally wasted at Celtic, a graveyard for Irish youngsters |
Roca Vatta was playing for them at 17 and is getting a run out these days.
If your good enough you'll get your chance.
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Far too simplistic and paying no value to development tiers & strategy. Also the fact that players develop differently. Ignorant statement
Like Cullen was good enough so West Ham gave him a chance is it ?? Did Denis Irwin get his chance at Leeds ? De Bruyne at Chelsea ? Or a thousand other examples
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Edited by Scissors Kick - 10 May 2023 at 8:14pm
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Posted: 10 May 2023 at 8:21pm |
Fozz wrote:
Connell looks a lot to me like Kilkenny and they both resemble Hourihane. In so far as they are not massively mobile but are good passers.I'm being simplistic, but if all three were the same age, Hourihane (on this past season) would be the best of them.
I guess the main point is that the two lads are young and may still develop, but that's where I see them as it stands.
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Think this lads in general a more deeper lying CM then Hourihane. Be interesting to see what happens.
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Posted: 10 May 2023 at 8:35pm |
Scissors Kick wrote:
horsebox wrote:
Mr. Snrub wrote:
Connell was given the young player of the season award for Barnsley.
I still feel he'll be a senior international and was totally wasted at Celtic, a graveyard for Irish youngsters |
Roca Vatta was playing for them at 17 and is getting a run out these days.
If your good enough you'll get your chance.
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Far too simplistic and paying no value to development tiers & strategy. Also the fact that players develop differently. Ignorant statement
Like Cullen was good enough so West Ham gave him a chance is it ?? Did Denis Irwin get his chance at Leeds ? De Bruyne at Chelsea ? Or a thousand other examples
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No need to personally attack someone because you disagree with them, knock that on the head
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Posted: 10 May 2023 at 8:49pm |
Scissors Kick wrote:
horsebox wrote:
Mr. Snrub wrote:
Connell was given the young player of the season award for Barnsley.
I still feel he'll be a senior international and was totally wasted at Celtic, a graveyard for Irish youngsters |
Roca Vatta was playing for them at 17 and is getting a run out these days.
If your good enough you'll get your chance.
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Far too simplistic and paying no value to development tiers & strategy. Also the fact that players develop differently. Ignorant statement
Like Cullen was good enough so West Ham gave him a chance is it ?? Did Denis Irwin get his chance at Leeds ? De Bruyne at Chelsea ? Or a thousand other examples
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Way too simplistic and Vatas contract still hasn’t been renewed due to expire in 12 months.
Again call me cynical but I just don’t trust Celtic in terms of player development. Actually screw that factual evidence shows the way they manage their Academy is atrocious.
My issue with Connell is the lack of effort/plan to develop him to the point he might eventually be ready.
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Posted: 10 May 2023 at 8:58pm |
kevin100 wrote:
Scissors Kick wrote:
horsebox wrote:
Mr. Snrub wrote:
Connell was given the young player of the season award for Barnsley.
I still feel he'll be a senior international and was totally wasted at Celtic, a graveyard for Irish youngsters |
Roca Vatta was playing for them at 17 and is getting a run out these days.
If your good enough you'll get your chance.
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Far too simplistic and paying no value to development tiers & strategy. Also the fact that players develop differently. Ignorant statement
Like Cullen was good enough so West Ham gave him a chance is it ?? Did Denis Irwin get his chance at Leeds ? De Bruyne at Chelsea ? Or a thousand other examples
Muppet
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Way too simplistic and Vatas contract still hasn’t been renewed due to expire in 12 months.
Again call me cynical but I just don’t trust Celtic in terms of player development. Actually screw that factual evidence shows the way they manage their Academy is atrocious.
My issue with Connell is the lack of effort/plan to develop him to the point he might eventually be ready.
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The proof is in the pudding alright, every young Irish player who has left Celtic in recent years has developed more at their new clubs in a short space of time than they did over multiple seasons with Celtic. Even the worst of the bunch, Afolabi, has made himself a key player for a table topping Bohs side.
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Posted: 10 May 2023 at 9:14pm |
The O'Shea wrote:
kevin100 wrote:
Scissors Kick wrote:
horsebox wrote:
Mr. Snrub wrote:
Connell was given the young player of the season award for Barnsley.
I still feel he'll be a senior international and was totally wasted at Celtic, a graveyard for Irish youngsters |
Roca Vatta was playing for them at 17 and is getting a run out these days.
If your good enough you'll get your chance.
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Far too simplistic and paying no value to development tiers & strategy. Also the fact that players develop differently. Ignorant statement
Like Cullen was good enough so West Ham gave him a chance is it ?? Did Denis Irwin get his chance at Leeds ? De Bruyne at Chelsea ? Or a thousand other examples
Muppet
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Way too simplistic and Vatas contract still hasn’t been renewed due to expire in 12 months.
Again call me cynical but I just don’t trust Celtic in terms of player development. Actually screw that factual evidence shows the way they manage their Academy is atrocious.
My issue with Connell is the lack of effort/plan to develop him to the point he might eventually be ready.
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The proof is in the pudding alright, every young Irish player who has left Celtic in recent years has developed more at their new clubs in a short space of time than they did over multiple seasons with Celtic. Even the worst of the bunch, Afolabi, has made himself a key player for a table topping Bohs side. |
Look Afolabi wasn’t likely good enough even with Connell every chance he wasn’t remotely ready.
It was the lack of effort to develop Connell in particular was the issue. It’s happened with high profile Scottish talents too like Ben Doak. These players and the people around them are not stupid they see this too.
With Vatas contract not signed yet and still an issue for them again I’m not saying he should leave Celtic myself no opinion on it but it’s telling the contract has been up in the air for many months and I would view his first team minutes in the context of that.
Edited by kevin100 - 10 May 2023 at 9:17pm
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Posted: 10 May 2023 at 9:25pm |
kevin100 wrote:
The O'Shea wrote:
kevin100 wrote:
Scissors Kick wrote:
horsebox wrote:
Mr. Snrub wrote:
Connell was given the young player of the season award for Barnsley.
I still feel he'll be a senior international and was totally wasted at Celtic, a graveyard for Irish youngsters |
Roca Vatta was playing for them at 17 and is getting a run out these days.
If your good enough you'll get your chance.
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Far too simplistic and paying no value to development tiers & strategy. Also the fact that players develop differently. Ignorant statement
Like Cullen was good enough so West Ham gave him a chance is it ?? Did Denis Irwin get his chance at Leeds ? De Bruyne at Chelsea ? Or a thousand other examples
Muppet
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Way too simplistic and Vatas contract still hasn’t been renewed due to expire in 12 months.
Again call me cynical but I just don’t trust Celtic in terms of player development. Actually screw that factual evidence shows the way they manage their Academy is atrocious.
My issue with Connell is the lack of effort/plan to develop him to the point he might eventually be ready.
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The proof is in the pudding alright, every young Irish player who has left Celtic in recent years has developed more at their new clubs in a short space of time than they did over multiple seasons with Celtic. Even the worst of the bunch, Afolabi, has made himself a key player for a table topping Bohs side. |
Look Afolabi wasn’t likely good enough even with Connell every chance he wasn’t remotely ready.
It was the lack of effort to develop Connell in particular was the issue. It’s happened with high profile Scottish talents too like Ben Doak. These players and the people around them are not stupid they see this too.
With Vatas contract not signed yet and still an issue for them again I’m not saying he should leave Celtic myself no opinion on it but it’s telling the contract has been up in the air for many months and I would view his first team minutes in the context of that.
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I was reading an article about Liam Morrison the other day and the tone of part of it was that if he'd stayed with Celtic he'd probably be playing in the Lowland league now.
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Posted: 11 May 2023 at 9:13am |
Scissors Kick wrote:
horsebox wrote:
Mr. Snrub wrote:
Connell was given the young player of the season award for Barnsley.
I still feel he'll be a senior international and was totally wasted at Celtic, a graveyard for Irish youngsters |
Roca Vatta was playing for them at 17 and is getting a run out these days.
If your good enough you'll get your chance.
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Far too simplistic and paying no value to development tiers & strategy. Also the fact that players develop differently. Ignorant statement
Like Cullen was good enough so West Ham gave him a chance is it ?? Did Denis Irwin get his chance at Leeds ? De Bruyne at Chelsea ? Or a thousand other examples
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With Celtic there was just too many players ahead of him, a lot of Celtic fans are bewildered that he didn't get an opportunity. As he was over looked by a number of managers. But the reality is that if you are good enough you will get our chance.
Connell is no loss to Celtic. But it's great to see him doing well at Barnsley.
Chelsea are a completely different animal, so it's not a fair comparison.
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Posted: 11 May 2023 at 9:16am |
The O'Shea wrote:
kevin100 wrote:
Scissors Kick wrote:
horsebox wrote:
Mr. Snrub wrote:
Connell was given the young player of the season award for Barnsley.
I still feel he'll be a senior international and was totally wasted at Celtic, a graveyard for Irish youngsters |
Roca Vatta was playing for them at 17 and is getting a run out these days.
If your good enough you'll get your chance.
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Far too simplistic and paying no value to development tiers & strategy. Also the fact that players develop differently. Ignorant statement
Like Cullen was good enough so West Ham gave him a chance is it ?? Did Denis Irwin get his chance at Leeds ? De Bruyne at Chelsea ? Or a thousand other examples
Muppet
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Way too simplistic and Vatas contract still hasn’t been renewed due to expire in 12 months.
Again call me cynical but I just don’t trust Celtic in terms of player development. Actually screw that factual evidence shows the way they manage their Academy is atrocious.
My issue with Connell is the lack of effort/plan to develop him to the point he might eventually be ready.
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The proof is in the pudding alright, every young Irish player who has left Celtic in recent years has developed more at their new clubs in a short space of time than they did over multiple seasons with Celtic. Even the worst of the bunch, Afolabi, has made himself a key player for a table topping Bohs side. |
Afolabi is nowhere near good enough to play for Celtic. Celtic are a much bigger side than Bohs with a much bigger squad. It's inevitable that he will do a lot better at a lower level.
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Posted: 11 May 2023 at 9:26am |
kevin100 wrote:
The O'Shea wrote:
kevin100 wrote:
Scissors Kick wrote:
horsebox wrote:
Mr. Snrub wrote:
Connell was given the young player of the season award for Barnsley.
I still feel he'll be a senior international and was totally wasted at Celtic, a graveyard for Irish youngsters |
Roca Vatta was playing for them at 17 and is getting a run out these days.
If your good enough you'll get your chance.
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Far too simplistic and paying no value to development tiers & strategy. Also the fact that players develop differently. Ignorant statement
Like Cullen was good enough so West Ham gave him a chance is it ?? Did Denis Irwin get his chance at Leeds ? De Bruyne at Chelsea ? Or a thousand other examples
Muppet
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Way too simplistic and Vatas contract still hasn’t been renewed due to expire in 12 months.
Again call me cynical but I just don’t trust Celtic in terms of player development. Actually screw that factual evidence shows the way they manage their Academy is atrocious.
My issue with Connell is the lack of effort/plan to develop him to the point he might eventually be ready.
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The proof is in the pudding alright, every young Irish player who has left Celtic in recent years has developed more at their new clubs in a short space of time than they did over multiple seasons with Celtic. Even the worst of the bunch, Afolabi, has made himself a key player for a table topping Bohs side. |
Look Afolabi wasn’t likely good enough even with Connell every chance he wasn’t remotely ready.
It was the lack of effort to develop Connell in particular was the issue. It’s happened with high profile Scottish talents too like Ben Doak. These players and the people around them are not stupid they see this too.
With Vatas contract not signed yet and still an issue for them again I’m not saying he should leave Celtic myself no opinion on it but it’s telling the contract has been up in the air for many months and I would view his first team minutes in the context of that.
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Any chance it's Vata who is delaying the signing of a new contract, rather than Celtic stalling over offering him one - I'd be very surprised indeed if Celtic didnt want to keep him, but not so surprised if the lad himself wants to keep his options open. Vata is very good, he looked the best of our highly touted U19 attacking players in the last tournament imo, much better than Zefi for example. He has already been handed first team opportunities at Celtic at the tender age of 17 (he turned 18 last month), so I dont think there are any real similarities with the Connell situation at Celtic.
It should also be pointed out that Connell failed to really shine in an extended loan period at Queens Park. Maybe he just wasnt ready and that experience has enabled him to kick on this season at Barnsley. I like Connell, he has a very good left foot which is always coveted by clubs. It will be interesting to see how he gets on next season, hopefully in the Championship. There is room in our squad for a deep lying playmaker.
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Posted: 11 May 2023 at 10:39am |
horsebox wrote:
The O'Shea wrote:
kevin100 wrote:
Scissors Kick wrote:
horsebox wrote:
Mr. Snrub wrote:
Connell was given the young player of the season award for Barnsley.
I still feel he'll be a senior international and was totally wasted at Celtic, a graveyard for Irish youngsters |
Roca Vatta was playing for them at 17 and is getting a run out these days.
If your good enough you'll get your chance.
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Far too simplistic and paying no value to development tiers & strategy. Also the fact that players develop differently. Ignorant statement
Like Cullen was good enough so West Ham gave him a chance is it ?? Did Denis Irwin get his chance at Leeds ? De Bruyne at Chelsea ? Or a thousand other examples
Muppet
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Way too simplistic and Vatas contract still hasn’t been renewed due to expire in 12 months.
Again call me cynical but I just don’t trust Celtic in terms of player development. Actually screw that factual evidence shows the way they manage their Academy is atrocious.
My issue with Connell is the lack of effort/plan to develop him to the point he might eventually be ready.
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The proof is in the pudding alright, every young Irish player who has left Celtic in recent years has developed more at their new clubs in a short space of time than they did over multiple seasons with Celtic. Even the worst of the bunch, Afolabi, has made himself a key player for a table topping Bohs side. |
Afolabi is nowhere near good enough to play for Celtic. Celtic are a much bigger side than Bohs with a much bigger squad. It's inevitable that he will do a lot better at a lower level.
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I know he's not, I very clearly said he's the worst of the bunch. My point is that Celtic still did absolutely nothing to develop him in his time there. Even if a player is ultimately not good enough, they should still be improved by a good youth set up. Celtic have done the exact opposite with numerous Irish players.
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Posted: 11 May 2023 at 10:54am |
He spent most of his time at Queens Park to be fair and as John Nice said above, he failed to shine there for whatever reason.
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Posted: 11 May 2023 at 11:06am |
Scissors Kick wrote:
horsebox wrote:
Mr. Snrub wrote:
Connell was given the young player of the season award for Barnsley.
I still feel he'll be a senior international and was totally wasted at Celtic, a graveyard for Irish youngsters |
Roca Vatta was playing for them at 17 and is getting a run out these days.
If your good enough you'll get your chance.
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Far too simplistic and paying no value to development tiers & strategy. Also the fact that players develop differently. Ignorant statement
Like Cullen was good enough so West Ham gave him a chance is it ?? Did Denis Irwin get his chance at Leeds ? De Bruyne at Chelsea ? Or a thousand other examples
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