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zizu Kilbane
Jack Charlton Joined: 23 Oct 2007 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 8369 |
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I think until things change constitutionally, the status quo should remain. However I'd like to see us being more proactive with recruiting players from the 6
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"Sometimes, sh*t happens, someone's gotta deal with it, and who ya gonna call?"
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lassassinblanc
Paul McGrath Cheese, it’s not just for eating Joined: 27 Sep 2010 Location: Clairefontaine Status: Online Points: 16493 |
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Terri is currently typing a 10000 Word response to this
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Robbie Keane I am MALDING Joined: 30 Nov 2014 Location: Trumpton Status: Offline Points: 44659 |
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Not just a 10000 word response, an unnecessary 10000 word response with several brackets, winkey faces, grandad jokes, often in unnecessary brackets, an unnecessary picture and possible attempts at mocking accents.
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t_rAndy
Robbie Keane Joined: 06 Feb 2008 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 26267 |
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Apologies for my nonsense, I had a good few IPA on board! |
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Robbie Keane I am MALDING Joined: 30 Nov 2014 Location: Trumpton Status: Offline Points: 44659 |
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No bother!
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Claret Murph
Paul McGrath Hmmm, Goodness, I must say Joined: 16 Apr 2009 Location: Tibet Status: Offline Points: 15766 |
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Saw it last night , very good I must say .
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Lansdowne Road debut aged 52 and 201 days .
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Floreat Ultonia
500 Club la la la Joined: 20 Jun 2011 Location: Dudley, England Status: Offline Points: 733 |
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Morning all. I haven't seen the film yet (doesn't seem to be on youtube), but I suppose could knock out 1,000 words while you wait for Terri to show... ...but there's little point. I'd just be repeating old stuff, which others above have already covered ;) This isn't about 'blazers'. Partly because many/ most of them are unpaid volunteers who do it because they enjoy the game. More importantly, as mentioning them at all implies that the much larger mass of fans are either relaxed about ending the split, or would even welcome it. There isn't a shred of evidence among NI fans and wider Unionist public opinion of this happening in the foreseeable future. What there is is widespread and mainstream public support in the South- so that for example, RTE's poll in November 2017 showed 73% in favor of an all-Ireland side (presumably it was close to 100% for the all-Ireland and beyond one you already have). Such polls are based on a dishonesty- people claiming their support assumes similar backing from NI fans, although with any background knowledge at all they'll know that's absent. They are basically playing dumb in order to avoid admitting their own bias/ prejudice. Which is what trying to abolish another team is. |
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Trap junior
Robbie Keane YBIG Minister of Doom & Gloom Joined: 25 Jan 2010 Location: Irish Riviera Status: Offline Points: 39881 |
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NEVER! NEVER! NEVER!
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Floreat Ultonia
500 Club la la la Joined: 20 Jun 2011 Location: Dudley, England Status: Offline Points: 733 |
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@TJ: did you miss my point immediately above, or just not understand it?
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The O'Shea
Jack Charlton I know everything and I’m NEVER wrong Joined: 16 Aug 2013 Location: Ireland Status: Online Points: 9568 |
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This has been explained a thousand times before. No one team can be "abolished" while the other continues in an unchanged form. Either both teams amalgamate (ie a mutual hybridization so to speak); or BOTH teams are abolished, and an entirely new entity takes their place. It's typical Unionist scaremongering to suggest that those who aspire to an all-island team are nothing more than closet bigots attempting to subsume the PUL community with their insidious form of green-tinted Popery.... Edited by The O'Shea - 24 May 2019 at 11:51am |
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We're decent enough..
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lassassinblanc
Paul McGrath Cheese, it’s not just for eating Joined: 27 Sep 2010 Location: Clairefontaine Status: Online Points: 16493 |
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I think the big question is if we ever have an United Ireland, will the team play in Lansdowne Road?
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Robbie Keane I am MALDING Joined: 30 Nov 2014 Location: Trumpton Status: Offline Points: 44659 |
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Surely we can all see that when two teams amalgamate the larger team’s identity will dominate?
To many Ireland fans the changes are small and worth it(I would disagree) but to Northern Ireland fans they would be massive. For many, following any team is about the social groups. The friends you meet before a game, the routines etc., as much as the sport itself and we want them to change that and start coming to Dublin to support a new side? Who could blame the for not supporting it, I wouldn’t.
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Floreat Ultonia
500 Club la la la Joined: 20 Jun 2011 Location: Dudley, England Status: Offline Points: 733 |
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Afternoon O'Shea. Briefly, 1 Repeating the same point-missing a thousand times doesn't add much to the discussion. Throwing in jargon about hybridization is just pretentious 2 I'm pretty certain that what most of that 73% survey response wants is an all-Ireland side with no continuing NI side, the former playing all its matches in Dublin under a tric while Miggledy or whoever sings along to the Soldier's Song. Which obviously is neither an amalgamation nor mutual abolition. You could claim a new entity but NI fans (who are the only people you really need to convince) don't and wouldn't take you seriously 3 I'm not scaremongering because I don't need to. A single UI side won't happen without an end to partition in wider politics. I've said Brexit particularly makes that much more likely than before, but can't see it for at least 20- 25 years during which time both teams will continue 4 Actually I'm suggesting that the widespread bias/ prejudice is pretty open, even if people play dumb about it 5 Spare us the 'subsuming the Prods with green-tinted Popery' waffle. It obviously isn't coming from me- lifelong atheist, Green Party member and activist, moved to and readily lived in Dublin as a student, all of which mentioned on here regularly. I'm merely stressing to you that your daydream has about as much credibility as a ManU title bid. It reinforces my point that the biggest problem on here isn't bantz from the usual semi-anonymous trolls and halfwits, but intelligent and otherwise reasoning people with an obsession... Edited by Floreat Ultonia - 24 May 2019 at 12:33pm |
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The O'Shea
Jack Charlton I know everything and I’m NEVER wrong Joined: 16 Aug 2013 Location: Ireland Status: Online Points: 9568 |
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So essentially, the argument is that Ireland fans are "wrong" for wanting it because NI fans don't want it. The fact that some of you seem to have missed it that that argument works exactly the same way in reverse (ie one could say NI fans are "wrong" for not wanting it in the face of the fact that so many Ireland fans do want it...).
I think the reality is this though, neither sides preferences are right or wrong, they're simply preferences which they're entitled to hold. On top of that, it's never going to happen without consent from both sides, so the idea that the FAI is suddenly going to subsume the IFA under a groundswell of support from South of the border only is reactionary nonsense.
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We're decent enough..
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Gary McKay
Roy Keane Yo Adrian Joined: 21 Jul 2007 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 13816 |
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In other splits, I find it amazing how the Czech Republic (or whatever they call themselves now ) are credited with winning Euro76 yet 8 of the 11 players were Slovaks !!
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"Smalling and Jones.... have the potential to be the PL’s best ever pairing in my opinion." - SlurAlex
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Robbie Keane I am MALDING Joined: 30 Nov 2014 Location: Trumpton Status: Offline Points: 44659 |
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I was going to mention that earlier as an example of how the dominant team always takes the identity, either in a split or a union. Crazy!
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Gerry Geary
Kevin Kilbane Joined: 30 May 2018 Status: Offline Points: 396 |
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The only solution is catholic nort irish Play for Éire. the protestante for england if both are good enough. SIMPLE
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