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Apart from the 4th goal where he missed the ball I think it's very harsh to blame Collins for any of the other goals especially the 3rd.

Mee fell asleep and Collins had to cover with a world class player in Salah bearing down on him amd turning him inside out. Mee was way more at fault than Collins was for the 3rd. 

Better players than Collins have made miskicks before so I would cut him a bit of slack on that one. He was at fault but these things can happen. 
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Originally posted by Greener92 Greener92 wrote:

They conceded meaning he clearly didn’t make the right decision. Some of your posts on here are beyond laughable at this point 

Your post suggests that if he'd done something different they definitely wouldn't have conceded - do you need an explanation about non-binary outcomes? I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but making the right choice in any given situation does not guarantee the desired outcome...
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Originally posted by Greener92 Greener92 wrote:

They conceded meaning he clearly didn’t make the right decision. Some of your posts on here are beyond laughable at this point 

Your post suggests that if he'd done something different they definitely wouldn't have conceded - do you need an explanation about non-binary outcomes? I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but making the right choice in any given situation does not guarantee the desired outcome...

Fancy it up anyway you like but he was poor for the Salah goal and atrocious for the 4th goal. Do i think hes a good player..absolutely 100%. But he has to cut out these mistakes he is making. 
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Originally posted by doherty doherty wrote:

Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

Originally posted by Greener92 Greener92 wrote:

They conceded meaning he clearly didn’t make the right decision. Some of your posts on here are beyond laughable at this point 

Your post suggests that if he'd done something different they definitely wouldn't have conceded - do you need an explanation about non-binary outcomes? I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but making the right choice in any given situation does not guarantee the desired outcome...

Fancy it up anyway you like but he was poor for the Salah goal and atrocious for the 4th goal. Do i think hes a good player..absolutely 100%. But he has to cut out these mistakes he is making. 

Is "fancying it up" your way of saying "I don't understand logical explanations"? 

The 4th goal contains a mistake because the odds were in his favour to clear it and he missed it - there's no mistake in the 3rd because the odds were clearly against him from the moment Salah is put through. Perhaps he could have stopped him getting a shot away in a minority of cases via some excellent defensive contribution, but failing to do that is not the same as a "mistake".
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Apparently the bar is that being bested in a one-on-one with one of the best players in the world constitutes an unforgivable error, and means that you're a sh*t player who will never amount to anything. Space cadets LOL

Did you not see the fresh air clearance for the 4th? He has a mistake in him and is costing his side at the moment.

I rate Collins but he isn't filling me with confidence lately. Whipped at half time against the Greeks as well

I did, it was a contributing factor in the concession of that goal, but there were other contributing factors before and after it too such as his defensive partner allowing the following pass to roll under his foot. If we're talking about contributing to goals, it's interesting no one bothered to mention the good work Collins did for Brentfords goal, yet his part in the concession of Brentfords 4th (at which point the game was already lost) see's him being savaged on here. I think this perfectly illustrates the attitude to Irish players on here, the good is completely ignored and the bad is completely exaggerated. All in all, he was partly at fault for 1 of the 4 goals Brentford conceded against one of the top sides in the world, and this leads to some posters coming on here and claiming this constitutes "one of the worst EPL performances of all time". It's comical stuff.

On one hand you are blaming others for their part in the fourth goal (Which is fair enough) but then absolving Collins of any fault in Salah's?
Double standards. 
He was partly at fault for two goals.
I would give him a pass for Mac Allister's. That was a tad lucky for Liverpool 

Agree with overall point, it's one poor game which will happen anyone, especially a 22 year old centre half. 

Collins did absolutely nothing, and I mean nothing, wrong for Salah's goal. The left hand side of the defence went completely missing and allowed Salah to run through unopposed onto a through ball, Collins was the only defender back and had to try and close Salah down, which he did. Being one of the best footballers in the world, Salah was able to manufacture a bit of space and get a shot away (imagine that!). It's this sort of loopy thinking that Collins must be sh*t just because he can't stop Salah scoring in a one on one which astounds me - I'd wager we all accept that goals can be scored that aren't someones fault, but it seems this obvious fact is thrown out the window as soon as an Irish player is involved. 

One goal out of 4 he can take his share of the blame for - it's not that f*cking deep and it certainly doesn't warrant the viscerally negative reaction it has produced on what is supposedly a forum for Irish football fans.

This fact doesn't make players immune from criticism. 

The initial ball was there to be won for Collins. He chose to try jockey Salah. 
Salah's second touch was poor and Collins was awkward and failed to capitilise. He threw two little flicks at the ball which were far from convincing. 
You ay he did nothing wrong, I say he did nothing right.   

Ask yourself the question, could he have done better for the goal?
There is only one right answer 

Salah is exceptionally fast, he made the judgement that Salah was going to get there first and that was probably correct given their positions. Can you imagine the reaction on here if Collins goes for that ball full blooded, Salah knocks it around him, and saunters through on goal? He'd be absolutely murdered. He made the right decision to stand him up, but unfortunately Salah is among the best attackers in the world and was able to get the better of him. Ultimately, the odds always favoured the attacker and that is how it played out, there's no shame (or notable error) required for that to be the case. It's a nothing goal that we wouldn't turn our heads at if an Irish player wasn't involved, it was just simply Salah doing what he usually does.

Fair point that.

Could have done better after that IMO. Made two half hearted flicks at the ball. Lacked commitment 


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Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

Originally posted by Greener92 Greener92 wrote:

They conceded meaning he clearly didn’t make the right decision. Some of your posts on here are beyond laughable at this point 

Your post suggests that if he'd done something different they definitely wouldn't have conceded - do you need an explanation about non-binary outcomes? I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but making the right choice in any given situation does not guarantee the desired outcome...
Like win the ball? Pretty sure if he wins the ball in that situation, they don’t concede in that very moment
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Too many posts to quote but I think any defender would be a bit hesitant making a committed challenge in that position when it's someone like Salah who has such good close control. Collins at least stayed on his feet but you have to give Salah credit for bamboozling him and finishing it well. 
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Originally posted by Greener92 Greener92 wrote:

Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

Originally posted by Greener92 Greener92 wrote:

They conceded meaning he clearly didn’t make the right decision. Some of your posts on here are beyond laughable at this point 

Your post suggests that if he'd done something different they definitely wouldn't have conceded - do you need an explanation about non-binary outcomes? I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but making the right choice in any given situation does not guarantee the desired outcome...
Like win the ball? Pretty sure if he wins the ball in that situation, they don’t concede in that very moment

Easier said than done mate. 
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Originally posted by irishmufc irishmufc wrote:

Originally posted by Greener92 Greener92 wrote:

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Originally posted by Greener92 Greener92 wrote:

They conceded meaning he clearly didn’t make the right decision. Some of your posts on here are beyond laughable at this point 

Your post suggests that if he'd done something different they definitely wouldn't have conceded - do you need an explanation about non-binary outcomes? I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but making the right choice in any given situation does not guarantee the desired outcome...
Like win the ball? Pretty sure if he wins the ball in that situation, they don’t concede in that very moment

Easier said than done mate. 
I’m well aware. Are we also glossing over the fact that after his two tame swipes at the ball, he gets completely outmuscled? It’s a poor showing from him, no doubt he has the ability but as has been mentioned numerous times already he needs to cut out these types of games 
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Too many posts to quote but I think any defender would be a bit hesitant making a committed challenge in that position when it's someone like Salah who has such good close control. Collins at least stayed on his feet but you have to give Salah credit for bamboozling him and finishing it well. 

Thought Salah's second touch was poor. He pushed it too straight and Collins then had a chance to get the foot in. 
Get it's Salah and all, but I think he could have done better there. 
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Second Captain's mentioned a stat yesterday that he's made the most errors leading to goals (4) of any outfield player this season. Alexander-Arnold is closest with 2. 

I don't think playing in a back 3 suits him, especially with how open Brentford are when they chase a game. Playing in a back 4 might develop his concentration levels a bit because he won't have 2 other defenders to cover him when he makes a mistake. Although they weren't covering him too well against Liverpool anyway.
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Second Captain's mentioned a stat yesterday that he's made the most errors leading to goals (4) of any outfield player this season. Alexander-Arnold is closest with 2. 

I don't think playing in a back 3 suits him, especially with how open Brentford are when they chase a game. Playing in a back 4 might develop his concentration levels a bit because he won't have 2 other defenders to cover him when he makes a mistake. Although they weren't covering him too well against Liverpool anyway.

Lads need to take off the green tinted glasses, the lad is having a bit of a mare recently.

People refuse to accept he is making errors directly leading to goals and then jump down your throat when you point out the obvious. I like Collins but he can't be trusted not to make an error, he has silly mistakes in him and if you can't clearly see that, there's no hope for ya
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Second Captain's mentioned a stat yesterday that he's made the most errors leading to goals (4) of any outfield player this season. Alexander-Arnold is closest with 2. 

I don't think playing in a back 3 suits him, especially with how open Brentford are when they chase a game. Playing in a back 4 might develop his concentration levels a bit because he won't have 2 other defenders to cover him when he makes a mistake. Although they weren't covering him too well against Liverpool anyway.

Lads need to take off the green tinted glasses, the lad is having a bit of a mare recently.

People refuse to accept he is making errors directly leading to goals and then jump down your throat when you point out the obvious. I like Collins but he can't be trusted not to make an error, he has silly mistakes in him and if you can't clearly see that, there's no hope for ya

Nail on the head. 
Page after page arguing that he didn't make any mistakes on Saturday to lead to goals. Come on now, wise the fook up. 
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Second Captain's mentioned a stat yesterday that he's made the most errors leading to goals (4) of any outfield player this season. Alexander-Arnold is closest with 2. 

I don't think playing in a back 3 suits him, especially with how open Brentford are when they chase a game. Playing in a back 4 might develop his concentration levels a bit because he won't have 2 other defenders to cover him when he makes a mistake. Although they weren't covering him too well against Liverpool anyway.

Lads need to take off the green tinted glasses, the lad is having a bit of a mare recently.

People refuse to accept he is making errors directly leading to goals and then jump down your throat when you point out the obvious. I like Collins but he can't be trusted not to make an error, he has silly mistakes in him and if you can't clearly see that, there's no hope for ya

Correct. 

He's played well in some games, and struggled in others. He is still learning at this level. CBs usually don't peak until around 27. Hopefully he finds a home at Brentford and irons out his game.
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Originally posted by The Huntacha The Huntacha wrote:

Second Captain's mentioned a stat yesterday that he's made the most errors leading to goals (4) of any outfield player this season. Alexander-Arnold is closest with 2. 

I don't think playing in a back 3 suits him, especially with how open Brentford are when they chase a game. Playing in a back 4 might develop his concentration levels a bit because he won't have 2 other defenders to cover him when he makes a mistake. Although they weren't covering him too well against Liverpool anyway.
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Originally posted by The Huntacha The Huntacha wrote:

Second Captain's mentioned a stat yesterday that he's made the most errors leading to goals (4) of any outfield player this season. Alexander-Arnold is closest with 2. 

I don't think playing in a back 3 suits him, especially with how open Brentford are when they chase a game. Playing in a back 4 might develop his concentration levels a bit because he won't have 2 other defenders to cover him when he makes a mistake. Although they weren't covering him too well against Liverpool anyway.

Lads need to take off the green tinted glasses, the lad is having a bit of a mare recently.

People refuse to accept he is making errors directly leading to goals and then jump down your throat when you point out the obvious. I like Collins but he can't be trusted not to make an error, he has silly mistakes in him and if you can't clearly see that, there's no hope for ya

Nail on the head. 
Page after page arguing that he didn't make any mistakes on Saturday to lead to goals. Come on now, wise the fook up. 
Of course he made mistakes, I think there was only 1 poster who argue against that. It was all the other comments that went along with it. 
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Van Dijk was at Celtic to the age of 24, Southampton to the age of 27 but yes let’s write Collins off at 22 years of age.

It’s as well this place wasn’t about when Richard Dunne was 22.
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Van Dijk was at Celtic to the age of 24, Southampton to the age of 27 but yes let’s write Collins off at 22 years of age.

It’s as well this place wasn’t about when Richard Dunne was 22.


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