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Kevin Kilbane 
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This might already have been pointed out, but has Collins ever played in midfield at any level?
McGrath was able to play in midfield because he was a world class talent. There's an old saying that good players can play anywhere and intelligent players with the physical capabilities can transition (thinking Philipp Lahm from RB to CM), so it's not beyond the realms of possibility. It just doesn't seem very likely.
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Maybe but, with all due respect, we won't get to a world cup with Cullen and smallbone in our engine room. We should try something else rather than just accept that's what we have and thats that. I like Cullen but he's far too quiet to be a consistently good performer at international level. You rarely see him open his mouth and being a good communicator in that position is a skill thats very important. Collins has the skills, personality and quality to be a good midfielder for us. |
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That’s sh*te defending. He’s there before the keeper so should be taking the responsibility and clearing it, even if the keeper calls for it. Another example of him needing to concentrate of being a defender first.
Has had a good start at Brentford but needs to cut out those errors if he wants to keep his place.
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His distribution is top class. Played a lovely pass out of defence to get the move going for Schade's goal.
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I think we should try Caoimhin in midfield tbh
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Or maybe Guardiola regularly doing it with a variety of different players in various positions has influenced people's opinions. You'd swear Babbs was saying he should be tried in goals too with the reaction to his suggestion.
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Years of McGrath have left lads deluded about this!
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He's a good footballer no doubt but there's a massive difference receiving the ball on the half turn or with your back to the opposing goal thirty yards out with a midfielder up your hole than playing out with the ball at your feet with everything in front of you as he has his whole career.
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That's not his game, it's not what he does. He can sometimes step out from centre back and add a body in midfield during a game, but he absolutely can't do what Cullen or Smallbone do at 6.
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He's a far better footballer than both. He's one of our best and we need to utilise him in the best possibly way, even more so as our midfield is the weakest part of our team. I think he would be perfect to sit in front of two centre halves. |
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Not as a midfielder he isn't. No way can he step in and do what Cullen or Smallbone do better than them. It's a completely different role to what he does as a centre back.
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IMO it isn't based in reality. He's never played there at club level. It feels like whenever we get a CB that's even moderately comfortable on the ball, people clamour for them to be tried in midfield.
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Why is it nonsense? He reads a game well. He's two footed. Hes a good passer of the ball who is prone to an odd lapse of concentration which, as a centre back, will be punished. It's makes perfect sense to try him as a midfielder. Even more so as he is more capable than any midfielder we currently have. |
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You do realise CBs are part of a team's spine, right? I thought people had given up this Collins at CM nonsense a while ago.
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Maybe he should just concentrate on becoming a quality centre back first!
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Needs to be tried in centre mid in front of our defence.
We would then have a spine of Baz, O' Shea, Collins and Ferguson for 10+ years. |
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I think Collins had to jump ship there or he'd have collided with Andersen and Flakken. He was muscled out of a challenge on the wing by Eze in the first half, but Eze is a beast now. Looking at Collins I have doubts that he'll be a really great player - for one he'll never have explosive pace over the first five yards. He carries a lot of tension in his shoulders so he's not as balanced as exceptional athletes need to be. He does like to point a lot to where he thinks other players should make their next pass!
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