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Originally posted by thebronze14 thebronze14 wrote:

Originally posted by irishmufc irishmufc wrote:

Originally posted by SuperDave84 SuperDave84 wrote:

I think the results we want tonight are as follows:

Germany to beat Northern Ireland
Netherlands to beat Estonia
We want Germany and Netherlands to qualify out of that group

Slovakia to beat Hungary
Croatia to beat Azerbaijan
We want two from Slovakia, Wales and Croatia to qualify out of that group

The Poland v Austria one is tricky but probably Austria to beat Poland and Israel and Slovenia to draw
We want Poland and Austria to qualify out of that group

In fairness I'd want ISIS and Al Qaeda to qualify out of that group if they were in with those sh*tebags up the road. 
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Originally posted by irishmufc irishmufc wrote:

Originally posted by SuperDave84 SuperDave84 wrote:

I think the results we want tonight are as follows:

Germany to beat Northern Ireland
Netherlands to beat Estonia
We want Germany and Netherlands to qualify out of that group

Slovakia to beat Hungary
Croatia to beat Azerbaijan
We want two from Slovakia, Wales and Croatia to qualify out of that group

The Poland v Austria one is tricky but probably Austria to beat Poland and Israel and Slovenia to draw
We want Poland and Austria to qualify out of that group

In fairness I'd want ISIS and Al Qaeda to qualify out of that group if they were in with those sh*tebags up the road. 
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I also forgot that of course we want Belgium to beat Scotland and Russia to beat Kazakhstan.
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Scotland surrendered after just 8 minutes. Unbelievable!!!
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Originally posted by Paul Andrew White Paul Andrew White wrote:

Scotland surrendered after just 8 minutes. Unbelievable!!!
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Shame on you Scotland!! I think the only one who can bring them back again is king Kenny Dalglish
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Originally posted by SuperDave84 SuperDave84 wrote:

I think the results we want tonight are as follows:

Germany to beat Northern Ireland
Netherlands to beat Estonia
We want Germany and Netherlands to qualify out of that group

Slovakia to beat Hungary
Croatia to beat Azerbaijan
We want two from Slovakia, Wales and Croatia to qualify out of that group

The Poland v Austria one is tricky but probably Austria to beat Poland and Israel and Slovenia to draw
We want Poland and Austria to qualify out of that group


Originally posted by SuperDave84 SuperDave84 wrote:

I also forgot that of course we want Belgium to beat Scotland and Russia to beat Kazakhstan.


Northern Ireland 0 v 2 Germany - tick
Estonia 0 v 4 Netherlands - tick
Netherlands and Germany looking stronger now and Northern Ireland probably need 4 points v Netherlands now which is a huge ask.

Hungary 1 v 2 Slovakia - tick
Azerbaijan 1 v 1 Croatia - nope
This was probably the biggest group and the Slovakia win the biggest result of the night - even with Croatia dropping points, it was a good night for us in this group. The key point is that Hungary not qualifying is more likely now than it was before, especially as they have to go to Croatia and Wales.

Poland 0 v 0 Austria - nope
Slovenia 3 v 2 Israel - nope
This group is looking tighter now and we could do with Austria getting their sh*t together from here - Slovenia v Austria next month is a big game and we could do with Austria going there & winning.

Russia 1 v 0 Kazakhstan - tick
Scotland 0 v 4 Belgium - tick
This group is close to over now and the results tonight were excellent for us - this group could be completely over after the next games, if Kazakhstan and Cyprus draw and Russia beat Scotland.


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On tomorrow night's three groups, the results we want are as follows:

England v Kosovo - an England win, especially as it both aids their qualification and harms Kosovo's
Montenegro v Czech Republic - Czech Republic win - this is the most important game tomorrow night for us, as the Czechs are far from certain qualifiers at the minute

Lithuania v Portugal - a Portugal win but that should hopefully be a given anyway
Luxembourg v Serbia - asking a lot for Serbia to drop points here

In the France, Turkey and Iceland group, it doesn't really matter, as all are ranked above us. It is probably best if Iceland beat Albania just to keep them out of contention.
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The Scotland post match is grim..

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Just to clarify, if we finish 3rd in our group, we want the following teams to qualify from their groups:

Group A - England & Czech Rep
Group B - Portugal & Ukraine
Group C - Germany & Holland
Group D - Switz & Denmark
Group E - 2 from Croatia/Wales/Slovakia
Group F - Spain & Sweden
Group G - Poland & Austria
Group H - 2 from France/Iceland/Turkey
Group I - Belgium & Russia
Group J - Italy & Bosnia

Is that right?
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Originally posted by Paul Andrew White Paul Andrew White wrote:

Shame on you Scotland!! I think the only one who can bring them back again is king Kenny Dalglish

How would Dalglish do things differently ?

Steve Clarke took up a huge challenge with things already wrecked before he even signed his contract. I'm fully behind Clarke and will give him time. I am reminded of the atrocious start Michael O'Neil made as the IFA team manager but how it very gradually began to get better for them.

I am expect another doing when we go to Moscow next month, so he must start to rebuild slowly but surely with a home win against San Marino, an away win against Cyprus and a home win against Kazakhstan.

Anyone who was expecting him to work miracles against a top team such as Belgium clearly can't tell the difference between a Football Manager 2020 or FIFA 20 game and harsh reality.

I do have some hope that players such as Billy Gilmour, David Turnbull and Fraser Hornby may progressively improve things.
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I still feel that Scotland do have a significant number of better players, at an individual level than we do. But it does show that having PL players at decent clubs, and lots of European football is perhaps a little over-rated.
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Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

I still feel that Scotland do have a significant number of better players, at an individual level than we do. But it does show that having PL players at decent clubs, and lots of European football is perhaps a little over-rated.

That's not really new though.

Take Brian McClair, Graeme Sharp, Alan Hansen & Paul Sturrock from yesteryear. Really good club level players. Incapable of doing anything at international level for some reason, and they had some good international teammates too ! 

Darren Fletcher sometimes really struggled at international level. 

And yet in the past I've witnessed supposedly bang average club players like Paul Hartley, Gary Caldwell, Kenny Miller, Graham Alexander, Lee McCulloch, David Weir and Gary Naysmith play brilliantly against teams like France and Italy.


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Originally posted by ErsatzThistle ErsatzThistle wrote:

Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

I still feel that Scotland do have a significant number of better players, at an individual level than we do. But it does show that having PL players at decent clubs, and lots of European football is perhaps a little over-rated.

That's not really new though.

Take Brian McClair, Graeme Sharp, Alan Hansen & Paul Sturrock from yesteryear. Really good club level players. Incapable of doing anything at international level for some reason, and they had some good international teammates too ! 

Darren Fletcher sometimes really struggled at international level. 

And yet in the past I've witnessed supposedly bang average club players like Paul Hartley, Gary Caldwell, Kenny Miller, Graham Alexander, Lee McCulloch, David Weir and Gary Naysmith play brilliantly against teams like France and Italy.

Agree that it’s not a new phenomenon. However, I think a lot of Irish fans see us having only one player in Europe this term, and see that as a representation of the quality.
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I think the scots should have kept strachan. Did a decent job. Defo have some decent players on paper anyway. Really made a balls of this group tho. Belguim aside they should be challenging for 2nd spot. 

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