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E2016
Liam Brady Joined: 13 Jan 2016 Location: Cork Status: Offline Points: 1783 |
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The target surely would have been a minimum of 7 points across the 4 games. He talked a lot about winning the group so by that logic it really should be 10, so he has already failed - but lets leave it at 7. 4 points will be enough to save him probably but it shouldn't be. 5
should be the minimum now - no more defeats. Both of those still under
the original (likely) target of 7. I
see 2 points as our most likely tally from the 4 games now - 2 home
draws and another away defeat. If that happens he has to go. |
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Greenie50
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Far too early to start talking about sacking him. The tactical issue of playing 523 vs lower ranked opposition needs to be addressed though. Azerbaijan at home, Luxembourg away (for the first 60mins until Knight came on for Idah), Lithuania, and today Armenia. All 4 games we played 2 CMs with 3 strikers ahead. Dominated possession, created lots of little half chances. But if the opposition can weather the pressure they can have a decent counter-attack planned that gets a few bodies up quickly they can play right past our 2 CMs and gain a huge amount of ground very quickly. And then if they they have a player with a good long range shot they can potentially get something. Those teams now have a clear blueprint of how to effectively play against us. All our best performances over the last 12 months have utilized an attacking-mid. -Vs Portugal it was McGrath both games. -Azerbaijan away 0-3, it was Horgan (subbed for McGrath at half-time) -Qatar at home 4-0, McGrath again. -Lux away 0-3, Robbo/Idah/Ogbene started, didn't work, Knight coming on for Idah changed it completely. -Belgium 2-2, Knight again. Pretty clearly that 3rd midfielder is crucial for us.
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You Tell Me
Jack Charlton Joined: 05 Sep 2010 Status: Offline Points: 6773 |
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Yeah I think he'd just about manage to struggle on with a win and a draw from the three games.
Any less than that - no wins or a win but two more losses - will make it difficult for him to continue I think. It's clear from their contract hesitation that the FAI already had less confidence in him than much of the support had, even before today. So that limited confidence will be further damaged now. We'll have a much better idea in a week's time.
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Claret Murph
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Yer keep him on as the fans seem to love him .
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Lansdowne Road debut aged 52 and 201 days .
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Big Sam on the horizon once again
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Drumcondra 69er
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What you saying, Murph? We sack him after that?
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t_rAndy
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The progress has stuttered a little the last two games, they have been very flat resulting in a bad result. But for all the experts out there, what exactly would you be doing differently from a tactical or personal perspective that would have produced a better showing?
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Our lack of a real striker is still killing us plain and simple. Dont forget Robbie Keane carried us almost single handed for the guts of 2 decades.
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tetsujin1979
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Two really bad stats, second one is worse
https://twitter.com/irish_abroad/status/1533223299542556672 |
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Strazdas
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I'd say it's our worst competitive away result since losing to Cyprus way back in 2006 (with the home defeat against Luxembourg probably our worst ever result in a qualifier).
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B6 6HE
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This NL campaign will decide the key question: Are we more likely or less likely to qualify for the 24 team Euros in 2024 with Kenny at the helm.
Edited by B6 6HE - 05 Jun 2022 at 12:45am |
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t_rAndy
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The quality of our players will mostly decide that I think. The horizon would suggest its going to be a tough ask bit could just sneak in
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The Whisperer
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The dust has settled and as i lie in my bed upon a dreary bank holiday weekend I have many questions and issues that need answering.
Stephen Kenny now statistically is far worse than any Irish manager that went before him. In 11 LON games now we have lost 6, scored 2 goals in those games. Routinely lost games to minnows, the same minnows that we previously used to always beat. But now some how it’s deemed some what acceptable to lose to Luxembourg, Armenia etc etc.. the justification has been wide and varied with the mentally fragile Pro Kenny brigade. For more than a year now people who have had valid questions marks about Kenny and suitability to a top international job have been jeered in the media by the likes of Dan Mcdonell. It was said and suggested that if you don’t ‘see the plan with Kenny ‘ then you should go back to supporting your premier league team. It was as if Stephen Kenny was completely immune from any sort of criticism for the past 18 months. I for one am sick to death of it and the non stop excuses. It is high time now that a spade be called for exactly what it is. Stephen Kenny now has had 3-4 years with this group and it cannot be argued that it has been anything other than a miserable failure and we have regressed significantly under his tenure. It seems that people are so mentally unable to handle that he isn’t good enough and any criticism as mentioned above is justified by a myriad of excuses. Kenny has tried to implement t more possession based football fair play to him for that but at the end of the day the buck will always stop with the head coach and results alone he should judged on. He is not capable of turning this around and I for one am sick of him.
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uibhfaillian
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If the players aren’t playing for him unfortunately his time is up. Hendrick was terrible today and yet he left him on for nearly the whole game. Obafemi came on and didn’t try a leg. Robinson was poor, a couple of efforts on goal that looked like token effort, shots at the near post, looked like he couldn’t be bothered with this June glorified “friendly” carry on. Not easy motivating second rate players like those mentioned above when all they want to do is head for the beach as their paid job with their clubs is done for the season. I hope Kenny wises up for the next couple of games and gets players on the pitch who will give it 100 percent. Kenny also needs to ditch those who aren’t giving it 100 percent. They’ll get him sacked.
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Liam Green
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Some good points there . Just as a matter of interest there what would your detailed plan for the next few years be? Let us know who you would like to manage ireland going forward ( give us a few examples) . Also what style of play and what players and tactics would you change . Edited by Liam Green - 05 Jun 2022 at 10:11am |
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Drumcondra 69er
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The fact our improvement coincided with Anthony Barry coming on board and then delivered a performance akin to the early games of Kenny's reign now that he's gone concerns me.
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Drumcondra 69er
Jack Charlton Joined: 07 Oct 2009 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 7123 |
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He was appointed just over two years ago tbf.
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