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Originally posted by Badgersboys9 Badgersboys9 wrote:

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Originally posted by E2016 E2016 wrote:

Originally posted by The Huntacha The Huntacha wrote:

If they do offer an extension for the NL, he should turn it down. Let's see how their sponsorship hunt goes if they destabilise all the good work done on the pitch over the last 12 months.

It would be a complete waste of time, and does nothing to show they are backing the manager. 

Either back him, or let his contract run out and back someone else.


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And go where? Sit on his arse until Dundalk come and offer him 150k a year to manage them again? He has absolutely no bargaining power here.

Ridiculous response. He has the backing of the fans and a new excitement around where the team is going that hasn't been present in a long time. You're deluded if, you think at this present time, he doesn't have any bargaining power.
He's not deluded at all - if anything you're being naive. Given the NL, Kenny would have two friendlies and a six-game campaign to prove he's the man. Walking out, as you suggest, with his current record would leave him with modest choices. He'll sign any contract to stay put.

I don't think I am to be honest. I also did not suggest he walks out, I think its naive to suggest that he has zero bargaining power with the FAI. That's all I'm pointing out. 

I'm sure the FAI are aware of the excitement around the team and the direction they now seem to be going in. This along with the sell out grounds and the fans singing his name both at home and away games.

See how we get on in the NL and reevaluate.
Fair enough B9 - naive bit withdrawn. Kenny has the fans on his side, yes, but that would change very quickly following early bad NL results. Jonathan Hill will be thinking about results and commercial and marketing issues. Fans can shout all they want, if the FAI aren't satisfied - Kenny will go. And the FAI cannot be satisfied currently or they would have already handed him the two-campaign contract.

Yeah I actually agree with most of that Brick. We can only speculate what the FAIs stance on it is and I actually think the fans backing plays an enormous part in commercial and marketing issues. 
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The fans have a say for sure.
The positivity towards the team and SK for the sold-out Qatar friendly was surely an eye-opener for the FAI brass.
Then follow that up with the home Portugal full-house, huge audible support for SK and the team again, and then an away trip where we did a very good job bullying a previously tricky (shouldn't have been, but was) opponent and the feelings of the fans can't be in doubt.

If we only get an extension for the NL, then the question is - what is the measure of success to be for that campaign?
It's a rhetorical question as we will all have our own based on different criteria.

But for me the biggest issue with such a short extension is the continued scrutiny on the manager's contract, when we should be focusing on the players and the performances.
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SK has set a high bar for the NL, top the group. So if we finish bottom of the group, well its difficult to see the FAI want him to stay on for the EC. In between those two extremes its hard to know what success looks like.
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Talking about winning the group without knowing he's in the group with is a bit silly. It's ok to be ambitious and set high targets for oursevles, but it was naive of him to do so. We could get a stinker of a group!
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Originally posted by Fozz Fozz wrote:

The fans have a say for sure.
The positivity towards the team and SK for the sold-out Qatar friendly was surely an eye-opener for the FAI brass.
Then follow that up with the home Portugal full-house, huge audible support for SK and the team again, and then an away trip where we did a very good job bullying a previously tricky (shouldn't have been, but was) opponent and the feelings of the fans can't be in doubt.

If we only get an extension for the NL, then the question is - what is the measure of success to be for that campaign?
It's a rhetorical question as we will all have our own based on different criteria.

But for me the biggest issue with such a short extension is the continued scrutiny on the manager's contract, when we should be focusing on the players and the performances.


This. And for those saying Kenny has no power in negotiations, consider the following two headlines. Which makes better reading in the eyes of a potential sponsor? How do the fans feel moving forward? It's time to put an end to the uncertainty and constant bickering imo, it's gone on too long at this stage.

1) Irish Football once again in turmoil as Kenny quits following what he describes as derisory offer from the FAI
2) FAI award new contract to Kenny for Euro 2024 campaign
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Originally posted by mully_85 mully_85 wrote:

Originally posted by Left foot Left foot wrote:

Kenny should be constantly looking at ways to improve the team, we still have a long way to go before we're a competitive team.

I dont buy the view that he has a settled team now when you can clearly see areas in the team that are a major concern for us. The forward line for example! Is that settled? 

We need major work in the final third of the pitch. 

Players like Hourihane, Arter, horgan, mcclean, ogbene all still playing first team and need better competition to replace them.

so u not think Ogbene has been very impressive since he came into the side? in the team on merit atm surprised you placed him in that company!!


Yeah, that was a strange comment. Ogbene has been one of our brightest players, 2 goals in 5 short appearances, creates chances, gets into good positions, works hard for the team, he's been a handful for every team he's played against.
At 24 he's on an upward trajectory, won't be playing for Rotherham much longer.

Why on earth would we want or need to replace him?
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Originally posted by John Nice John Nice wrote:

Originally posted by Fozz Fozz wrote:

The fans have a say for sure.
The positivity towards the team and SK for the sold-out Qatar friendly was surely an eye-opener for the FAI brass.
Then follow that up with the home Portugal full-house, huge audible support for SK and the team again, and then an away trip where we did a very good job bullying a previously tricky (shouldn't have been, but was) opponent and the feelings of the fans can't be in doubt.

If we only get an extension for the NL, then the question is - what is the measure of success to be for that campaign?
It's a rhetorical question as we will all have our own based on different criteria.

But for me the biggest issue with such a short extension is the continued scrutiny on the manager's contract, when we should be focusing on the players and the performances.


This. And for those saying Kenny has no power in negotiations, consider the following two headlines. Which makes better reading in the eyes of a potential sponsor? How do the fans feel moving forward? It's time to put an end to the uncertainty and constant bickering imo, it's gone on too long at this stage.

1) Irish Football once again in turmoil as Kenny quits following what he describes as derisory offer from the FAI
2) FAI award new contract to Kenny for Euro 2024 campaign
Kenny quits 500k part-time job for.....certainly not TV punditry.
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I actually enjoy the debate between the fans on this forum regarding SK and can usually see where both sides are coming from. For the fans that put their point across imformatively that is.

Then you have the usual who's repetitive jibes, personal digs and spouting the same sh1te just completely take away from it all. 
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Originally posted by greenshoots greenshoots wrote:

Talking about winning the group without knowing he's in the group with is a bit silly. It's ok to be ambitious and set high targets for oursevles, but it was naive of him to do so. We could get a stinker of a group!

Big time yeah - very naive from Kenny (again).

He's creating a rod for his back here.
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Originally posted by greenshoots greenshoots wrote:

Talking about winning the group without knowing he's in the group with is a bit silly. It's ok to be ambitious and set high targets for oursevles, but it was naive of him to do so. We could get a stinker of a group!
I don't think its realistic to expect us to win the group, but if we can get a play-off on the basis of it, job done really.
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Originally posted by TooOldForThis TooOldForThis wrote:

Any chance posters can express their views without using the word "bizarre"? They must live in a permanent state of bewilderment where everything seems "bizarre" to them. Hill is an impressive guy, a good business man, I think he can way up the pros and cons beyond the "there's only one Stephen Kenny" chorus when it comes to determining the length of the contract extension. 
What’s been so impressive about his stint in the Fai so far? Is it the lack of sponsor? Or maybe that it took him about 9 months to move to Ireland? Is there anything of note that he has done so far?
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Originally posted by Donegalman Donegalman wrote:

Originally posted by TooOldForThis TooOldForThis wrote:

Any chance posters can express their views without using the word "bizarre"? They must live in a permanent state of bewilderment where everything seems "bizarre" to them. Hill is an impressive guy, a good business man, I think he can way up the pros and cons beyond the "there's only one Stephen Kenny" chorus when it comes to determining the length of the contract extension. 
What’s been so impressive about his stint in the Fai so far? Is it the lack of sponsor? Or maybe that it took him about 9 months to move to Ireland? Is there anything of note that he has done so far?
Such antagonism toward a guy you have no clue about...wonder what could be the cause of that?
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What did he exactly say? If he said it’s his ambition to win the group then whats wrong with that? anyone using that against him is a bit pathetic. If however, if he said we will top the group, then thats different of course and is indeed handing a rod out.
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Originally posted by Sham157 Sham157 wrote:

What did he exactly say? If he said it’s his ambition to win the group then whats wrong with that? anyone using that against him is a bit pathetic. If however, if he said we will top the group, then thats different of course and is indeed handing a rod out.

Exactly! He said that they're going to take it seriously and their ambition is to top the group. Its wild the spin some people put on this.
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Originally posted by Left foot Left foot wrote:

Originally posted by Greenie50 Greenie50 wrote:

Originally posted by mully_85 mully_85 wrote:

Originally posted by Left foot Left foot wrote:

Kenny should be constantly looking at ways to improve the team, we still have a long way to go before we're a competitive team.

I dont buy the view that he has a settled team now when you can clearly see areas in the team that are a major concern for us. The forward line for example! Is that settled? 

We need major work in the final third of the pitch. 

Players like Hourihane, Arter, horgan, mcclean, ogbene all still playing first team and need better competition to replace them.

so u not think Ogbene has been very impressive since he came into the side? in the team on merit atm surprised you placed him in that company!!


Yeah, that was a strange comment. Ogbene has been one of our brightest players, 2 goals in 5 short appearances, creates chances, gets into good positions, works hard for the team, he's been a handful for every team he's played against.
At 24 he's on an upward trajectory, won't be playing for Rotherham much longer.

Why on earth would we want or need to replace him?

I've nothing against Ogbene, he seems a lovely lad but as a footballer he's very limited. 

For ireland he's done OK but he doesn't have the quality required to be in the squad long term.

In the 18 league games he's played for Rotherham this season he's played 90mins 50% of the games (9 games) he came off the bench in 4 games and was subbed off in 5 games (one due to injury)

He has one assist in 18 games at league 1 level, at 25 in May this is his level, he won't compete in the championship.

He's a hard working player but green tinted glasses off guys... he's not the player we need if we want to qualify for tournaments.

Where does he play for Rotherham?
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Originally posted by Sham157 Sham157 wrote:

What did he exactly say? If he said it’s his ambition to win the group then whats wrong with that? anyone using that against him is a bit pathetic. If however, if he said we will top the group, then thats different of course and is indeed handing a rod out.
Nothing wrong with that, except if half way through the campaign he suddenly states that the intention was in fact to use the NL to build for the EC. There is form here.
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Originally posted by TooOldForThis TooOldForThis wrote:

Originally posted by greenshoots greenshoots wrote:

Talking about winning the group without knowing he's in the group with is a bit silly. It's ok to be ambitious and set high targets for oursevles, but it was naive of him to do so. We could get a stinker of a group!
I don't think its realistic to expect us to win the group, but if we can get a play-off on the basis of it, job done really.


As long as we dont finish 4th / last, we practically have a playoff spot already whether we finish 1st, 2nd or 3rd.

There only advantage of finishing 1st and winning promotion to League A is to be bumped up to 2nd seeds from 3rd seeds for the Euro 2024 draw.

Theres very little between teams in Pot 2 and 3 though anyway.
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@Badgersboys9 Ogbene plays RWB when Rotherham play 5 at the back but Ogbene and ferguson (LWB) play very advanced and more like wingers.

Thanks, was genuinely curious. Haven't seen much of him for Rotherham but did see that he was playing RWB a lot so thought it was a bit hopeful to be expecting goals from him. 
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