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 Posted: 27 Jan 2021 at 9:50am |
 Mr Brick wrote:
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Zinedine Kilbane 110 wrote:
The mods could remove the last 100 posts and noting of value/interest/intelligence would be lost. |
Very True. Mr Bricks nightly bump of this thread is wearing thin. |
There are a zillion other threads for you to try to read. |
Ooooh so edgy  I’ll leave you to ruin this thread so 
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Posted: 27 Jan 2021 at 9:56am |
Can people be banned from specific threads rather than from the forum altogether? There should be a limit on how many times someone can make the exact same point. They are either spamming or on a wind up. Stating your opinion is grand but some of you numpties have the writing range of Jack Torrance in The Shining.
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Posted: 27 Jan 2021 at 10:05am |
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Didn't Mick play Ian Harte as a CB in one game? Vaguely remember him doing something like that but it was most likely experimenting in a friendly game. |
I have a vague memory of that. Roy also played centre half for us under Mick. To put it in context, we were desperately short of quality centre halves at the time. We ended up with two full backs playing there in Cunningham and Stan (with both doing really well). The other regular centre back was Gary Been who was struggling at club level. Richard Dunne hadn't established himself at club level (not at centre back) and while I remember him doing very well against the Dutch, I don't think Mick had full confidence in him. While we were stronger everywhere else on the pitch in 2002, our current options at centre half would compare very favourably to their 2002 counterparts. |
Paul McGrath was still playing very well in EPL with Derby at the time. Micks biggest mistake early on was to be too quick to move on the older players, Irwin was playing very well with Wolves until about 01. Aldridge was still scoring for Tranmere. There is an argument to be made that Jack deserved another crack at the France 98 group. Our results under Mick in qualifying for France was very ropey. We barely got into second ahead of Lithuania and were 10 points behind Romania.
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Posted: 27 Jan 2021 at 10:09am |
Zinedine Kilbane 110 wrote:
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Slight change, in the name of accuracy.
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Posted: 27 Jan 2021 at 11:10am |
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Mick got a lot of stick in the first campaign, especially when we failed to beat Iceland who were very poor at the time. But the team was really in transition then. Similar to now we didn't have a goalscorer, Quinn was having huge injury issues at that stage. Roy Keane did his cruciate around then also, which didn't help. We had no decent centre backs so Mick tried Cunningham and Harte out of position there. He got slated for it but Cunningham went on to become a good centre half. How he ever thought Ian Harte was a centre back though is beyond me.
Things really picked up for the Euro 2000 campaign - Duff and Robbie Keane emerged and we were good at home. He set us up too defensively in the away games though. We were 13 seconds away from qualifying as group winners, but we failed to defend a corner away in Macedonia in the last play of the campaign and blew it. Then we lost the playoff on away goals. It was very unfortunate but I don't think we'd have qualified for the 02 world cup if it hadn't happened. We intentionally arranged away games against the Dutch and Portuguese in Autumn 2000 straight after the Euros and caught them cold a bit as a result. The two away draws set us on our way.
So, in short, there was some pressure in the first campaign but he got through on the basis that he was rebuilding the team. The second campaign was a near enough miss that he was always going to get a third shot at the 02 world cup qualifiers. |
That's fairly spot on. To be fair, Harte played centre back away to Romania and did okay iirc. We only lost one nil and Roy Keane missed a penalty he insisted on taking for some reason.
We finished second in his first two campaigns, heartbreakingly so in the second. That would have been enough to qualify in Jack's time (only the worst two second places went into the Euro 96 play offs) and that was the benchmark. Think people forget we've only won one group in our history and that wouldn't have happened without Gary Mackay.
He took a lot of criticism in the second campaign after Croatia away in particular. Set up very negatively and conceded in something like the 96th minute to Davor Suker. Although as it turned out a draw that day would have made no difference.
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Posted: 27 Jan 2021 at 11:27am |
Drumcondra 69er wrote:
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Mick got a lot of stick in the first campaign, especially when we failed to beat Iceland who were very poor at the time. But the team was really in transition then. Similar to now we didn't have a goalscorer, Quinn was having huge injury issues at that stage. Roy Keane did his cruciate around then also, which didn't help. We had no decent centre backs so Mick tried Cunningham and Harte out of position there. He got slated for it but Cunningham went on to become a good centre half. How he ever thought Ian Harte was a centre back though is beyond me.
Things really picked up for the Euro 2000 campaign - Duff and Robbie Keane emerged and we were good at home. He set us up too defensively in the away games though. We were 13 seconds away from qualifying as group winners, but we failed to defend a corner away in Macedonia in the last play of the campaign and blew it. Then we lost the playoff on away goals. It was very unfortunate but I don't think we'd have qualified for the 02 world cup if it hadn't happened. We intentionally arranged away games against the Dutch and Portuguese in Autumn 2000 straight after the Euros and caught them cold a bit as a result. The two away draws set us on our way.
So, in short, there was some pressure in the first campaign but he got through on the basis that he was rebuilding the team. The second campaign was a near enough miss that he was always going to get a third shot at the 02 world cup qualifiers. |
That's fairly spot on. To be fair, Harte played centre back away to Romania and did okay iirc. We only lost one nil and Roy Keane missed a penalty he insisted on taking for some reason.
We finished second in his first two campaigns, heartbreakingly so in the second. That would have been enough to qualify in Jack's time (only the worst two second places went into the Euro 96 play offs) and that was the benchmark. Think people forget we've only won one group in our history and that wouldn't have happened without Gary Mackay.
He took a lot of criticism in the second campaign after Croatia away in particular. Set up very negatively and conceded in something like the 96th minute to Davor Suker. Although as it turned out a draw that day would have made no difference. |
He left Robbie on the bench and played Cas up top on his own. Kenny Cunningham was caught out badly for the goal iirc. Came off the back of a great win against Yugoslavia.
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Posted: 27 Jan 2021 at 11:44am |
avfc wrote:
Drumcondra 69er wrote:
You Tell Me wrote:
Mick got a lot of stick in the first campaign, especially when we failed to beat Iceland who were very poor at the time. But the team was really in transition then. Similar to now we didn't have a goalscorer, Quinn was having huge injury issues at that stage. Roy Keane did his cruciate around then also, which didn't help. We had no decent centre backs so Mick tried Cunningham and Harte out of position there. He got slated for it but Cunningham went on to become a good centre half. How he ever thought Ian Harte was a centre back though is beyond me.
Things really picked up for the Euro 2000 campaign - Duff and Robbie Keane emerged and we were good at home. He set us up too defensively in the away games though. We were 13 seconds away from qualifying as group winners, but we failed to defend a corner away in Macedonia in the last play of the campaign and blew it. Then we lost the playoff on away goals. It was very unfortunate but I don't think we'd have qualified for the 02 world cup if it hadn't happened. We intentionally arranged away games against the Dutch and Portuguese in Autumn 2000 straight after the Euros and caught them cold a bit as a result. The two away draws set us on our way.
So, in short, there was some pressure in the first campaign but he got through on the basis that he was rebuilding the team. The second campaign was a near enough miss that he was always going to get a third shot at the 02 world cup qualifiers. |
That's fairly spot on. To be fair, Harte played centre back away to Romania and did okay iirc. We only lost one nil and Roy Keane missed a penalty he insisted on taking for some reason.
We finished second in his first two campaigns, heartbreakingly so in the second. That would have been enough to qualify in Jack's time (only the worst two second places went into the Euro 96 play offs) and that was the benchmark. Think people forget we've only won one group in our history and that wouldn't have happened without Gary Mackay.
He took a lot of criticism in the second campaign after Croatia away in particular. Set up very negatively and conceded in something like the 96th minute to Davor Suker. Although as it turned out a draw that day would have made no difference. |
He left Robbie on the bench and played Cas up top on his own. Kenny Cunningham was caught out badly for the goal iirc. Came off the back of a great win against Yugoslavia.
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It was the middle game of a triple header in a week between Yugoslavia at home and Malta away so he was rotating players. Robbie scored in the two games he started but was rested against Croatia, a game we didn't really try to win. We rode our luck in Malta, two up early on before they levelled, Stan free kick won it. Did a week over there, some trip...
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Posted: 27 Jan 2021 at 11:51am |
Drumcondra 69er wrote:
avfc wrote:
Drumcondra 69er wrote:
You Tell Me wrote:
Mick got a lot of stick in the first campaign, especially when we failed to beat Iceland who were very poor at the time. But the team was really in transition then. Similar to now we didn't have a goalscorer, Quinn was having huge injury issues at that stage. Roy Keane did his cruciate around then also, which didn't help. We had no decent centre backs so Mick tried Cunningham and Harte out of position there. He got slated for it but Cunningham went on to become a good centre half. How he ever thought Ian Harte was a centre back though is beyond me.
Things really picked up for the Euro 2000 campaign - Duff and Robbie Keane emerged and we were good at home. He set us up too defensively in the away games though. We were 13 seconds away from qualifying as group winners, but we failed to defend a corner away in Macedonia in the last play of the campaign and blew it. Then we lost the playoff on away goals. It was very unfortunate but I don't think we'd have qualified for the 02 world cup if it hadn't happened. We intentionally arranged away games against the Dutch and Portuguese in Autumn 2000 straight after the Euros and caught them cold a bit as a result. The two away draws set us on our way.
So, in short, there was some pressure in the first campaign but he got through on the basis that he was rebuilding the team. The second campaign was a near enough miss that he was always going to get a third shot at the 02 world cup qualifiers. |
That's fairly spot on. To be fair, Harte played centre back away to Romania and did okay iirc. We only lost one nil and Roy Keane missed a penalty he insisted on taking for some reason.
We finished second in his first two campaigns, heartbreakingly so in the second. That would have been enough to qualify in Jack's time (only the worst two second places went into the Euro 96 play offs) and that was the benchmark. Think people forget we've only won one group in our history and that wouldn't have happened without Gary Mackay.
He took a lot of criticism in the second campaign after Croatia away in particular. Set up very negatively and conceded in something like the 96th minute to Davor Suker. Although as it turned out a draw that day would have made no difference. |
He left Robbie on the bench and played Cas up top on his own. Kenny Cunningham was caught out badly for the goal iirc. Came off the back of a great win against Yugoslavia.
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It was the middle game of a triple header in a week between Yugoslavia at home and Malta away so he was rotating players. Robbie scored in the two games he started but was rested against Croatia, a game we didn't really try to win. We rode our luck in Malta, two up early on before they levelled, Stan free kick won it. Did a week over there, some trip... |
All our away games were on TV3 and we were cat in all 4. Trevor Walsh doing the hosting and Kinger doing the punditry! Mick was a superb home manager for us but was generally very bad away. (the opposite of Trap)
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Posted: 27 Jan 2021 at 11:54am |
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When is Lawrie getting unveiled?
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"Sometimes, sh*t happens, someone's gotta deal with it, and who ya gonna call?"
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Posted: 27 Jan 2021 at 1:58pm |
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When is Lawrie getting unveiled? |
You laugh, but you could have done with him against England!
He could even have brought his own video 
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Posted: 27 Jan 2021 at 3:54pm |
Territorial wrote:
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When is Lawrie getting unveiled? |
You laugh, but you could have done with him against England!
He could even have brought his own video
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OWC were excellent under Lawrie. Beat S[ain too and finished above Denmark in 08 qual.
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Posted: 27 Jan 2021 at 4:13pm |
Territorial wrote:
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When is Lawrie getting unveiled? |
You laugh, but you could have done with him against England!
He could even have brought his own video
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We've no one in our current squad as clinical as David Healey! He'd be goosed from the outset!
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Posted: 28 Jan 2021 at 12:02pm |
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Appointing Dean Kiely as GK coach is another black mark against him especially when Gerry Peyton is available
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Posted: 28 Jan 2021 at 12:08pm |
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Posted: 28 Jan 2021 at 5:07pm |
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How do you know he is available?
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Posted: 28 Jan 2021 at 5:32pm |
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How do you know he is available? |
Who ?
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Posted: 28 Jan 2021 at 6:08pm |
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Posted: 28 Jan 2021 at 6:24pm |
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It’s a joke 😀😀😀😅
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