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Originally posted by Banjaxed Banjaxed wrote:

If he's not getting a few minutes in a 3rd round FA cup tie, then realistically Jose is only giving him game time when Spurs have a game done and dusted. This is Spurs. They look awful. Troy should go out on loan. Or at least insist  he gets under 23's game Time. Crazy stuff that he's not kicking a ball at all now. 

There's a bigger picture here.

Apparently he's got 18 months left on his contract. For the next 6 months, his fate is firmly in Spurs hands i.e. no matter how unhappy he may be (and we don't know he is), he has little or no bargaining power.
Therefore Spurs will be using that time to get him to commit to a longer contract. One of their likely tactics will be to offer him a pay rise or hold out the prospect of a loan etc. Bit in the meantime, Mourinho will use him only when it suits him (JM), not when it suits the player himself, esp since there's nothing to suggest that he is the answer to their present problems, or is better than their alternatives.

Of course, that is liable to change in the summer or next season, as he gets closer to being able to leave on a free.

But who knows, maybe Levy and Mourinho will cave in to the demands of a few Spurs fans on social media, or ROI fans on ybig, and young Troy will get his chance against Liverpool next weekend... LOL
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Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

Originally posted by Andrew00 Andrew00 wrote:

The Yids fans are fuming on social media that he didn't feature 

Should this post be let go? 

"We sang it in France and we sang it in Spain,
We sang in the sun and we sang in the rain,
They tried to stop us, but look what it did,
The thing we love most is being a Yid,
Being a Yid, being a Yid,
The thing we love most is being a Yid!"
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Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

Originally posted by Andrew00 Andrew00 wrote:

Originally posted by mully_85 mully_85 wrote:

Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

Originally posted by Andrew00 Andrew00 wrote:

The Yids fans are fuming on social media that he didn't feature 

Should this post be let go? 

they call themselves the Yids do they not?

The yid army they chant 

Some do and they are gobsh*tes.  

Maybe you should make a visit to the Lane and let them know, though you might have trouble making yourself heard when the whole stadium is singing it.

(FYI: It's a badge of honour, adopted as a reply when other fans - esp Chelsea and WHU - sang about "Gassing the Yids" etc. And it works.)
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Originally posted by Zinedine Kilbane 110 Zinedine Kilbane 110 wrote:

Originally posted by DeclanDaly DeclanDaly wrote:

Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

Originally posted by Andrew00 Andrew00 wrote:

Originally posted by mully_85 mully_85 wrote:

Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

Originally posted by Andrew00 Andrew00 wrote:

The Yids fans are fuming on social media that he didn't feature 

Should this post be let go? 

they call themselves the Yids do they not?

The yid army they chant 

Some do and they are gobsh*tes.  

Exactly 

Members have been consulted on the use of the Y-word


 

We want to thank all of our supporters who took the time to complete our recent online consultation on the Y-word.

 

We received more than 23,000 responses, giving us an array of considered opinions on this subject.

 

We have now reviewed all the data from the consultation and have published a Y-word consultation update. We recommend that all supporters take the time to read it.

 

A sample of fans that indicated in the consultation that they would be interested in participating in focus groups around use of the Y-word will be contacted in due course.


I took part in that survey.

It was clearly worded in order to achieve a pre-determined result, probably as a result of pressure from outwith the club, yet it failed to get a majority to stop using it.

I know a couple of lifelong Jewish Spurs fans, who routinely refer to themselves as Yids without a trace of self-consciousness. My own view is that so long as other fans try to insult us by using "Yid" as a slur, then this (proudly atheist) Yid will carry on throwing it back in their face, muc the same as Gays have reclaimed the word "Queer".
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Originally posted by Andrew00 Andrew00 wrote:

#thfc Mourinho made it very clear that he does not consider Son or Lucas as strikers. Said 3 times during post-match presser that Spurs played "without a striker" and also: "The boys did what they can, you cannot transform Lucas or Son into a No.9 like Harry Kane."

What he might have added is that you cannot (suddenly) transform Troy Parrott into "a No.9 like Harry Kane", either.
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Originally posted by Territorial Territorial wrote:

Originally posted by Banjaxed Banjaxed wrote:

If he's not getting a few minutes in a 3rd round FA cup tie, then realistically Jose is only giving him game time when Spurs have a game done and dusted. This is Spurs. They look awful. Troy should go out on loan. Or at least insist  he gets under 23's game Time. Crazy stuff that he's not kicking a ball at all now. 

There's a bigger picture here.

Apparently he's got 18 months left on his contract. For the next 6 months, his fate is firmly in Spurs hands i.e. no matter how unhappy he may be (and we don't know he is), he has little or no bargaining power.
Therefore Spurs will be using that time to get him to commit to a longer contract. One of their likely tactics will be to offer him a pay rise or hold out the prospect of a loan etc. Bit in the meantime, Mourinho will use him only when it suits him (JM), not when it suits the player himself, esp since there's nothing to suggest that he is the answer to their present problems, or is better than their alternatives.

Of course, that is liable to change in the summer or next season, as he gets closer to being able to leave on a free.

But who knows, maybe Levy and Mourinho will cave in to the demands of a few Spurs fans on social media, or ROI fans on ybig, and young Troy will get his chance against Liverpool next weekend... LOL

I think the contract issue as you say is crucial.  Troy has been linked with moves to Germany and it may be attractive given how well it worked out for Sancho.  

Chelsea recently gave Hudson-Odoi £120,000 per week on a 5-year deal.  Crazy money but a few good performances and interest from Bayern ensured he was able to get the deal.  

Any long term deal offered to Troy now would be signifcantly less obviously.  It is clearly in Tottenham's interest to tie him down now.

I've seen Troy play a few times and he has a great chance of making it.  However he is still 17 and agree it is too early for the premeir league.  If he was at a club like Brighton or Norwich he certainly would have got more playing time by now.     

Tottenham are under pressure to in a trophy and clearly took the FA cup more seriously than other top 6 clubs at the weekend.  That is frustrating but understandable.  
 
Unfortunately we have a problem scoring goals at the moment.  Anybody playing reasonably regularly and finding the net will be considered.    
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Terri is very much the voice of reason in this thread to be fair to him. Realistically the FA Cup is the only competition Spurs have a chance of winning this season and, for a manager who was brought in to finally get a long overdue trophy out of this group of players, he's clearly therefore going to be prioritising it. It was good to see Parrott make the bench again at the weekend but it always seemed highly unlikely Mourinho was ever going to turn to him in his hour of need in what was a tricky tie away to a Championship side.
 
Those who were expecting to see an appearance from Parrott at the Riverside are conveniently forgetting a couple of things - a) he's still only seventeen as, to quote the great Noel King, has been pointed out umpteen times and b) unlike many other Premiership sides Spurs are understandably taking the FA Cup very seriously this season.
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He is training with the first team.
That’s way more important than playing 10-15mins with the senior team.

He is still getting regular game time with the U23’s and scoring goals.

How many 17 year olds have that set up. Only a select few.

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Originally posted by Zinedine Kilbane 110 Zinedine Kilbane 110 wrote:

He is training with the first team.
That’s way more important than playing 10-15mins with the senior team.

He is still getting regular game time with the U23’s and scoring goals.

How many 17 year olds have that set up. Only a select few.


Listen to any one in the know and will say the under 23 games count for little or nothing the only way to judge a players true worth is senior competitive games.
Listen to McCarthys comments on BT about Idah’s hatrick and it will tell you all you need to know 
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Originally posted by Fruice Fruice wrote:

Originally posted by Zinedine Kilbane 110 Zinedine Kilbane 110 wrote:

He is training with the first team.
That’s way more important than playing 10-15mins with the senior team.

He is still getting regular game time with the U23’s and scoring goals.

How many 17 year olds have that set up. Only a select few.


Listen to any one in the know and will say the under 23 games count for little or nothing the only way to judge a players true worth is senior competitive games.
Listen to McCarthys comments on BT about Idah’s hatrick and it will tell you all you need to know 

Very true. Just look at last season's PL2 Player of the year - Outstanding in that league and what ever became of him?? Actually, hold on......
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Originally posted by Borussia Borussia wrote:

Originally posted by Fruice Fruice wrote:

Originally posted by Zinedine Kilbane 110 Zinedine Kilbane 110 wrote:

He is training with the first team.
That’s way more important than playing 10-15mins with the senior team.

He is still getting regular game time with the U23’s and scoring goals.

How many 17 year olds have that set up. Only a select few.


Listen to any one in the know and will say the under 23 games count for little or nothing the only way to judge a players true worth is senior competitive games.
Listen to McCarthys comments on BT about Idah’s hatrick and it will tell you all you need to know 

Very true. Just look at last season's PL2 Player of the year - Outstanding in that league and what ever became of him?? Actually, hold on......



And you have some people on here criticising Connolly for not doing enough. The chap is 19 and already has 3 goals this season while Didsy has yet to score a single goal and is not facing any critics?!

Mind boggling stuff on here most of the time LOL
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Originally posted by Fruice Fruice wrote:

Originally posted by Zinedine Kilbane 110 Zinedine Kilbane 110 wrote:

He is training with the first team.
That’s way more important than playing 10-15mins with the senior team.

He is still getting regular game time with the U23’s and scoring goals.

How many 17 year olds have that set up. Only a select few.


Listen to any one in the know and will say the under 23 games count for little or nothing

They generally count for sod-all for a 21 or 22 y.o., certainly.

But a 17 y.o. is a lot different. And in any case, don't you imagine that Spurs want to develop him as best they can? For whatever Mourinho may think, the club clearly sees TP as a potentially huge asset, so they're not likely to stand idly by if Mourinho is unreasonably stalling his progress.

Originally posted by Fruice Fruice wrote:

... the only way to judge a players true worth is senior competitive games.

Or, one way to set back a youngster's development is to throw him into competitive games against seasoned professionals before he's ready for it.

Clive Allen has been Spurs' main striker coach under a number of managers. He comes from a well-known London football family (father, uncle, cousin etc) and himself broke into League football as a 17 y.o. with QPR, scoring 32 goals in 49 games for them. He went on to play for half a dozen London clubs and elsewhere, also a few caps for England.

If anyone knows how to develop a kid like TP, it should be him:
https://www.neilbrown.newcastlefans.com/player/cliveallen.html
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Parrot has played once for Spurs U23s this season, scored twice and 6 goals in 4 games for u19s, so 5 games for underage sides plus 1 start in league cup and 1 late sub app in league is not a lot of football since August. 
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Parrot has played once for Spurs U23s this season, scored twice and 6 goals in 4 games for u19s, so 5 games for underage sides plus 1 start in league cup and 1 late sub app in league is not a lot of football since August. 

Are you including the European youth games?

He has been in some senior squad which means he probably misses some youth games.

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Originally posted by Zinedine Kilbane 110 Zinedine Kilbane 110 wrote:

Originally posted by PaddyDaCulchie PaddyDaCulchie wrote:

Parrot has played once for Spurs U23s this season, scored twice and 6 goals in 4 games for u19s, so 5 games for underage sides plus 1 start in league cup and 1 late sub app in league is not a lot of football since August. 

Are you including the European youth games?

He has been in some senior squad which means he probably misses some youth games.

4 European youth games, 6 goals
1 u23 app, 2 goals

That's all the underage football he has played for spurs this season
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Originally posted by Fruice Fruice wrote:

Originally posted by Zinedine Kilbane 110 Zinedine Kilbane 110 wrote:

He is training with the first team.
That’s way more important than playing 10-15mins with the senior team.

He is still getting regular game time with the U23’s and scoring goals.

How many 17 year olds have that set up. Only a select few.


Listen to any one in the know and will say the under 23 games count for little or nothing the only way to judge a players true worth is senior competitive games.
Listen to McCarthys comments on BT about Idah’s hatrick and it will tell you all you need to know 

Would these be professional coaches that earn a living of this?
Or the lads down the pub.

Would you not think a premier league club kinda know what they are doing? 

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Originally posted by PaddyDaCulchie PaddyDaCulchie wrote:

Parrot has played once for Spurs U23s this season, scored twice and 6 goals in 4 games for u19s, so 5 games for underage sides plus 1 start in league cup and 1 late sub app in league is not a lot of football since August. 

I must confess I hadn't realised it was so little as that.

But it shouldn't be overlooked that it was Pochettino, a manager known for bringing on young players, who was responsible for the first 3 or 4 months of that period.

And for all that Mourinho appeased Levy and the fans with warm words for the kids at Spurs, could anyone reasonably expect any new manager to start using so inexperienced a kid he'd inherited from the off?
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Originally posted by Borussia Borussia wrote:

Originally posted by Fruice Fruice wrote:

Originally posted by Zinedine Kilbane 110 Zinedine Kilbane 110 wrote:

He is training with the first team.
That’s way more important than playing 10-15mins with the senior team.

He is still getting regular game time with the U23’s and scoring goals.

How many 17 year olds have that set up. Only a select few.


Listen to any one in the know and will say the under 23 games count for little or nothing the only way to judge a players true worth is senior competitive games.
Listen to McCarthys comments on BT about Idah’s hatrick and it will tell you all you need to know 

Very true. Just look at last season's PL2 Player of the year - Outstanding in that league and what ever became of him?? Actually, hold on......

I never said that a player that excels at a weaker level doesn’t do well at senior level.
As you can see from my comments above
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