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Interesting points here, if poch had decided to play parrot in the last 2 games would parrot then be more likely for a role in the senior team?

If the answer is yes, are we saying that poch (and other club managers) are deciding who is ready for ireland by proxy?

If the answer is no, then micks comments are in conflict with how players are picked.

I appreciate that this a reductionist arguement but it doesn't really clarify how Mick is choosing the team. 

Is he choosing the players on form? Level they are playing, number of caps they have and therefore experience? Are they playing regularly? All of the above?

Doherty is an interesting use case for this too I think, by far our best performer at club level last year (I'd say was better than Coleman in the same position) but not deemed good enough to start for ireland.
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Originally posted by DeclanDaly DeclanDaly wrote:

Originally posted by Maccatacca Maccatacca wrote:

In some ways it’s actually a pity that Parrott is at Spurs rather than Liverpool or United. 

His record at underage football is comparable (it’s actually better) to Mason Greenwood and Rhian Brewster but those guys are more likely to feature this year as neither team has a striker as good as Kane. 

That was a cracking goal he scored last night. 

As an aside, Gavin Bazunu looks like he might be struggling a little at the moment. Has let in 8 goals in the space of a week. 

I would say that Spurs is the best club for him. It’s arguable that Kane is better than Mane, Salah, or Firminho (I disagree), but Spurs have much fewer options up front than either of those teams. Also, Spurs have a much better record of actually playing their kids.



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Originally posted by DeclanDaly DeclanDaly wrote:

Originally posted by Maccatacca Maccatacca wrote:

In some ways it’s actually a pity that Parrott is at Spurs rather than Liverpool or United. 

His record at underage football is comparable (it’s actually better) to Mason Greenwood and Rhian Brewster but those guys are more likely to feature this year as neither team has a striker as good as Kane. 

That was a cracking goal he scored last night. 

As an aside, Gavin Bazunu looks like he might be struggling a little at the moment. Has let in 8 goals in the space of a week. 

I would say that Spurs is the best club for him. It’s arguable that Kane is better than Mane, Salah, or Firminho (I disagree), but Spurs have much fewer options up front than either of those teams. Also, Spurs have a much better record of actually playing their kids.


Spurs record of playing their kids isn't better than United at all, let alone much better. 
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Originally posted by DeclanDaly DeclanDaly wrote:

Originally posted by Maccatacca Maccatacca wrote:

In some ways it’s actually a pity that Parrott is at Spurs rather than Liverpool or United. 

His record at underage football is comparable (it’s actually better) to Mason Greenwood and Rhian Brewster but those guys are more likely to feature this year as neither team has a striker as good as Kane. 

That was a cracking goal he scored last night. 

As an aside, Gavin Bazunu looks like he might be struggling a little at the moment. Has let in 8 goals in the space of a week. 

I would say that Spurs is the best club for him. It’s arguable that Kane is better than Mane, Salah, or Firminho (I disagree), but Spurs have much fewer options up front than either of those teams. Also, Spurs have a much better record of actually playing their kids.



I think if Parrott was at United right now he’d have a better chance of playing immediately. 

In the long term I think Spurs might be the best club for him. Poch seems to be very sensible in how he introduces talented young players into the side. 
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What height is Parrott? Would he be hitting 6 foot?

Think he is 5’11 
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What height is Parrott? Would he be hitting 6 foot?
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Originally posted by Maccatacca Maccatacca wrote:

In some ways it’s actually a pity that Parrott is at Spurs rather than Liverpool or United. 

His record at underage football is comparable (it’s actually better) to Mason Greenwood and Rhian Brewster but those guys are more likely to feature this year as neither team has a striker as good as Kane. 

That was a cracking goal he scored last night. 

As an aside, Gavin Bazunu looks like he might be struggling a little at the moment. Has let in 8 goals in the space of a week. 

I would say that Spurs is the best club for him. It’s arguable that Kane is better than Mane, Salah, or Firminho (I disagree), but Spurs have much fewer options up front than either of those teams. Also, Spurs have a much better record of actually playing their kids.
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In some ways it’s actually a pity that Parrott is at Spurs rather than Liverpool or United. 

His record at underage football is comparable (it’s actually better) to Mason Greenwood and Rhian Brewster but those guys are more likely to feature this year as neither team has a striker as good as Kane. 

That was a cracking goal he scored last night. 

As an aside, Gavin Bazunu looks like he might be struggling a little at the moment. Has let in 8 goals in the space of a week. 
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Will be a target as long as he is playing 23s as he is so high profile compared to most in that league. 
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Cracking goal by Troy: https://twitter.com/SpursOfficial/status/1162459565344075776
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Originally posted by CillDara CillDara wrote:

Scores 2 for Spurs u23s tonight against Man City and then comes off injured, hopefully just a dead leg, would be a terrible shame for him to pick up an injury a few hours after being called into the senior squad.

Saw one of the goals, curling left footed effort. Brilliant strike.

Gavin Bazunu was in goal for City.
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Scores 2 for Spurs u23s tonight against Man City and then comes off injured, hopefully just a dead leg, would be a terrible shame for him to pick up an injury a few hours after being called into the senior squad.
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Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

A short selection.

Parrott was left out of the under-23 squad as well; from this one could come to two reasonable conclusions:
He has a minor injury or illness that kept him out of both squads.
Or, he was in strong consideration to be named on the bench but just missed out.

One could also come to the reasonable conclusion that Pochettino simply felt N'Koudou was slightly better suited to this game, but that Parrott will get chances in other games.

There are numerous possibilities that are just as plausible as your wide-ranging assertion that he's "way down the pecking order" based solely on the 1st squad of the season.

As I said at the outset, you can't draw conclusions long term on the basis of one game.

But you can deduce what his position was on Sat.10th August: maybe 5th choice striker.

That may, of course, change as the season continues, though not necessarily in his favour. Eg he could get injured and fall behind; Nkoudou might not get a move; Spurs could sign another striker in January; Ndembele/Lo Celso could start banging in goals from midfield; Spurs could loan him out.

And even if things do move in his favour, getting from 5th to 4th, or even 3rd, choice is still not likely to see him get any significant PL game time, at least while Kane and Son stay fit, which they generally do.

P.S. Like TP's position in the squad, your "short selection" is some way short of the "dozens" of plausible explanations you originally promised. Literally. LOL
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A short selection.

Parrott was left out of the under-23 squad as well; from this one could come to two reasonable conclusions:
He has a minor injury or illness that kept him out of both squads.
Or, he was in strong consideration to be named on the bench but just missed out.

One could also come to the reasonable conclusion that Pochettino simply felt N'Koudou was slightly better suited to this game, but that Parrott will get chances in other games.

There are numerous possibilities that are just as plausible as your wide-ranging assertion that he's "way down the pecking order" based solely on the 1st squad of the season.
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Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

Originally posted by Territorial Territorial wrote:

Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

What is it about the start of the season that makes people draw wide ranging conclusions off a tiny sample of evidence? Parrott wasn't named on the bench for one game, hardly enough to conclude he's completely out of the picture.
Of course one game is hardly conclusive.

But with Son suspended and Dele injured, when will he get a better chance to make the subs bench in the PL?

The only conclusion must be that he's still 5th choice striker at best (Kane, Son, Moura, Nkoudou), in a team that usually only plays 1 or 2 up front.

And that's before you add Dele and Lamela, who can both play in an advanced role if need be. And Eriksen and Ndombele(?) and Lo Celso(?) generally weigh in with more than their share of goals for midfielders.

No, that's not the "only conclusion", there are literally dozens of conclusions one could plausibly draw. That's not really the point though, because at the end of the day there isn't yet enough evidence to fully support any of those possible conclusions, because we're literally only one game into a 38 game season ffs LOL

OK then, give me the first dozen "plausible conclusions" one could draw from TP not being on the bench on Saturday.

Literally. Wink


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