Ireland v Wales

If we beat Wales and the Danes beat Wales surely it's conceivable that both of us would play for a draw in Denmark

Cabra Hoop wrote: Hans Moleman wrote: Pauldaly1984 wrote: SuperDave84 wrote: Maccatacca wrote: TonyNotJack wrote: Is it still possible for us to be in the second pot of seeds for the Euro draw? What results would need to get if it is? A win vs Wales would put us in a healthy enough posistion to finish second and secure pot 2. Then if they drew with Denmark, we’d only need an away draw against the Danes who would in turn top the group.    Incorrect, unless we win by three. In your scenario (we beat Wales, Wales draw with Denmark, we draw with Denmark), we all end up on 5 points, and we are bottom on goal difference if we beat Wales by one and head to head if we beat them by two. If the table is Denmark 5 (+2), Wales 5 (-1) and Ireland 5 (-1), then Denmark win the group and our position re: Wales goes back to head to head, where we would lose, on the basis of being -1 GD if we beat them by two. We need to win and then hope Denmark beat Wales. Hell, even a Wales win is better for us, because then we would only need a score draw in Denmark to finish second on away goals. Incorrect we beat Wales and they draw with Denmark Wales finish on 4 If we beat Wales tomorrow I'd have us as massive odds on to still finish bottom, unless the Danes throw us a bone in Copenhagen and played out a draw. Wales would we well capable of getting a home point or more vs Denmark. That happens and we must get something in our last game , which we would have no chance of doing I reckon, unless the draw suited the Danes also. Hope your right about this because if the Danes are in Copenhagen, we'd be in Aarhus getting a walk over, bag a 3-0 victory and win the group.

Banker Matt Doherty to be dropped tonight

ShamtheRam wrote: Banker Matt Doherty to be dropped tonight

Hes a banker  if only we also had a baker and a candlestick maker we be grand

Think we will lose this one. Not sure how we are going to score. Almost seems an impossibility.

GB 1HughJarse wrote: Hans Moleman wrote: gmfc90 wrote: If we beat Wales and the Danes beat Wales surely it's conceivable that both of us would play for a draw in Denmark Why would we play for a draw? In that scenario we'd be guaranteed 2nd and beating Denmark would give us 1st spot and promotion on head to head results vs the Danes. We will not beat Wales at home and Denmark away. Best at most is 2nd place which will get us a 2nd chance of qualifying thru the Nations League and will keep us as a 2nd seed for proper qualifying group next year.

The doom and gloom is well and truly here. We are shagged. I just want to focus on tonight. We get mad giddy and start fixating on other results and permutations that we can't control. We can win tonight, that's about the height of it. Forget the rest. We all want MON out but the players need us later. The atmosphere has been sh*te last few games (who can blame us I know) but we should go for it tonight, drive the team on. f**king Wales hammered us last time out and we owe them one. Also we are sh*te but surely no one wants to finish bottom of a group FFS, show some pride. 

d13dave wrote: I was actually quite optimistic before the wales game based on the improved performance v Poland and then i saw the team sheet. Our attempts at 3 at the back are so different to the few decent exponents of it recently - Chelsea for a few years under conte, belgium etc. When done well your back 3 have mobility and typically balance - left footer on left right footer on right and at least one of the 3 is either comfortable on the ball or can step into midfield and play. they played 3-4-3 we are playing a back 5 with full backs and 3 defensive stoppers/hoofers and christie in midfield.  The annoying thing is O'Neill played an effective 3-5-2 at Celtic that was attacking direct and good to watch. I know we do not have a front pairing even half as good as Larrson and Sutton  but at least if we tried to play a front 2 the football may be far less dull to watch and we may actually get even 40% possession as the ball doesn't come back at us as quickly hoofing it to a lone striker. If my memory serves me correctly celtic had a bit of balance in the back 3 with the belgian lad left of the 3 centre halves. dreading later.