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ShamtheRam
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Michael D Higgins People taking the piss out of his name
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GB 1HughJarse
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Probably in the minority here but I think he’s too old/will be too old by 2025.
He said he would only do on term, but maybe he’s realised the job isn’t too demanding mentally/physically. Don’t really see why some people think he’s been so good. As for the cost of an election, they could run a presidential election alongside the referendum in October. If anything happened to him in the next 7 years (I hope nothing does happen to him), there would be a separate costly presidential election. |
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Denis Irwin
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Dev was 84 and practically blind when he ran for his 2nd term ffs. Leave Michael D. be. He's in grand shape for a man of his age
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Eamonn Dunphy:"I'll tell you who wrote it, Rod Liddle, he's the guy who ran away and left his wife for a young one".
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Denis Irwin
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Eamonn Dunphy:"I'll tell you who wrote it, Rod Liddle, he's the guy who ran away and left his wife for a young one".
Bill O'Herlihy: Ah ye can't be saying that now Eamonn |
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Het-field
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What do people think of the change of heart on the one term issue. If that was another politician, would that be an issue?
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Denis Irwin
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Man is entitled to change his mind. He probably didn't think at the time he'd be up to a 2nd term and now he does.
Depends on who the politician is I suppose Edited by Denis Irwin - 10 Jul 2018 at 10:30pm |
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Eamonn Dunphy:"I'll tell you who wrote it, Rod Liddle, he's the guy who ran away and left his wife for a young one".
Bill O'Herlihy: Ah ye can't be saying that now Eamonn |
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Het-field
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Would they not be entitled to change their mind too?
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pre Madonna
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I assume his mind has been changed by public opinion, if only more politicians were swayed by public opinion!
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Het-field
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Public opinion is favourable, but he did represent something, and has acted in a differnt way. I suppose, I would be interested to see the reaction if other politicans held the office, and had made the same promise, only to go back on it later?
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deise316
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Don't think anyone really cares. We have never really had a divisive President in modern times (had a few divisive candidates alright) so if Pres. Higgins was some kind of obnoxious character, or had an upcoming appearance at a tribunal or something, and then decided to seek another term, it might be different. It might also be different if the sitting President had deep connections to the ruling Government party who happened to be in some kind of political bother at the time (say, if Labour were in charge and implementing a load of unpopular policies) but that isn't the case here either, in fact I'm not even sure the Labour party exist any more, I'll have to check & come back to ye. I think most see him at the very least as a very safe pair of hands. A few of our Presidents (Hillery & McAleese) were elected for a 2nd stint anyway, so its not groundbreaking stuff there either. No issue with him meself, as politicians go, he's far from the worst of them, he's a shrewd enough political operator, doesn't do anything stupid or controversial while representing us, seems to strike the right note of empathy with some of the marginalised sectors of our society and appears to be a genuine sports fan as well, as opposed to just pretending to be one like the majority of the chancers. |
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deise316
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Another reason most will be happy for him to stay on is the lack of genuine other candidates, I'd forgotten Sean Gallagher existed, and don't know what he is, who he purports to represent or why he's even in the public eye in the first place. Was he on some TV programme or some such ? Doesn't matter anyway, he'll get another 15 minutes this time around, maybe less if he has to spend his own money as opposed to FF's.
Not for the first time, FF have seen the way the wind is blowing and rowed in fully behind him. The Shinners will probably have to wait for James McClean to retire, they could find any oul candidate that would attract their own vote and a few protest votes, but nobody to take on someone of Michael D's popularity. FG have never held the Presidency & if Leo has any sense at all (not sure on that) he'll stay well away from it too, there isn't anything to be gained by a likely defeat other than the other parties thinking they can then defeat them in the one that matters. |
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Het-field
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Its not about not caring, but holding politicians to account for their promises and statements. It is saying one thing, and subsequently doing something else. If there was any doubt in his mind that he might run again, he should never have even ventured being a one-term president. And its not about being a two-termer. Its about being consistent. I totally agree, that D Higgins has generally done well. There have been elements of his Presidency that I have not been entirely favourable to, but for the vast majority of it he has done an excellent job. I'm also not sure whether the issue of being close to a ruling party is an issue. Otherwise, many top candidates wouldnt qualify in the first instance. Being close to the ruling party is irrelevant, especially as in a second term situation your independence would be much stronger than it was in the first instance, as you would be gone from the party for over seven years at that stage.
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Het-field
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Thats actually not a reason. It cant just be assumed that popularity is such that another vote is pointless.
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deise316
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If we held politicians accountable for their promises, would there be anyone at all in the Dáil ? Or put another way, would every single seat change hands at elections ? Half genuine question. The answer to the whether people are that put out about him changing his mind will be in the ballot box, and everyone knows, even at this stage they generally aren't.
I disagree about the closeness of the candidate to the ruling party, the Brian Lenihan/Mary Robinson campaign in 1990 changed that for good. In that case, it messed up a candicacy rather than a Presidency, but even in the last campaign, Sean Gallagher's (had forgotten he was allegedly independent) candicacy was derailed by accusations he was close to the then toxic FF and may have been involved in an incident where some envelopes stuffed with money changed hands. Can't really prove that theory as neither got elected, and there were never such suggestions about Robinson, McAleese or Higgins, but those 2 elections were probably the only ones that happened in the same timeframe as political strife for FF was happening simultaneously, and it cost them both times. I don't think it's too much of a stretch to think that a similar scenario would have a negative effect on a sitting President, but that would obviously depend on the individual in office at the time, the party they belonged to and the role they played in whatever incident was exercising/annoying the public. |
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deise316
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I'm not assuming anything, merely predicting the chap will be re-elected, and one of the reasons he will be re-elected is the lack of suitable alternative candidates. The views on the alternatives are only my views, and it is a valid reason for me, whether you or anyone else agrees with that or not. Others will vote for him for any amount of reasons from his relationship with Galway FC or the fact he likes dogs, or the fact they are life long Labour voters. More will vote for one of those alternative candidates for reasons that will be alien to me, but that's the nature of elections. |
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irishmufc
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Wings? They're only the band The Beatles could have been.
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irishmufc
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@Hetfield
Just out of curiousity, what elements of his presidency were you not entirely favourable towards? I'm struggling to think of anything truly negative whether it's any polarizing views he may have or controversies he was involved in.
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Wings? They're only the band The Beatles could have been.
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