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horsebox
Robbie Keane Born n bred in darndale. Joined: 03 Feb 2010 Location: Ireland Status: Online Points: 34869 |
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He'll be buried with all his loot. He seems very fond of the green and the brown apparently.
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It was far across the sea,
When the devil got a hold of me, He wouldn't set me free, So he kept me soul for ransom. na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na. I'm a sailor man from Glasgow to |
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GB 1HughJarse
Liam Brady Joined: 03 Sep 2015 Status: Offline Points: 2091 |
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Nice big cheer for Michael D at the rugger just now.
I think a lot of people like him and are glad (and relieved) he was re-elected, especially after the Peter Casey interview on the Late Late. |
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SuperDave84
Robbie Keane ooh Thomas, how could you do this to me! Joined: 26 Aug 2011 Location: Far Fungannon Status: Offline Points: 21384 |
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The "fear" is of social reaction because of how most people think, not fear of anything more than that. Social reaction to unpopular views is understandable and not dictatorship. It's a concomitant of free speech, a central right in a free democracy, ffs. A right to free speech doesn't mean everyone has to agree with you and it doesn't leave you immune from criticism. Public discourse and the potential for criticism is one of the prices of free speech - it seems to be that which you disagree with. Your opinion is far closer to dictatorship than anyone elses.
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planning
Ray Houghton Football version of Comical Ali. Joined: 17 Mar 2012 Status: Offline Points: 3836 |
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I didn't change anything, I explained what a dictatorship is. You think it's about punishment, I said it's about control. If people are afraid to speak up, speak out, ask questions, challenge the established views out of fear, then they are being dictated to. It's why No voters were genuinely terrified to appear on camera, when a RTE camera crew went looking to find them in one Midlands town, during the 2015 referendum campaign. Not a single one of them was brave enough to declare their intentions. It's why nobody here, and not many more abroad, dare say anything in public remotely critical about minorities, for fear of the response. It's why there is no pro-Trump outlet in the Irish media, even when he succeeds. Zero. It's why you could count the number of people on one hand, willing to back why Casey said what he said, in public. That's what fear does to people. It dictates how they behave, think, say, and do. The "election" was set up in such a way by the leading parties, for MDH to be re-elected. Most parties didn't bother fielding a candidate, and just put all their resources into advising people to re-elect him. While they're entitled to do that, it makes a farce of the thing. FF who used to win every Presidential election, have not officially put forward a candidate to stand in one, since McAleese over 20 years ago. A sign of the times we're in.
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SuperDave84
Robbie Keane ooh Thomas, how could you do this to me! Joined: 26 Aug 2011 Location: Far Fungannon Status: Offline Points: 21384 |
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His entire argument is retarted. "Peter Casey should be allowed say what he wants, because free speech" "Anyone exercising their right to free speech to criticise him is not entitled to do so, because ... eh, let me think ... yeah, dictatorship" It shows what kind of dictatorship he wants, anyway.
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Bob Hoskins
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here you go PLanning Dictatorship Here are some names of lovely ones Pol Pot, Stalin, Hitler. Currently in power we have Edogan - has locked up all the journalists he doesn't like and his opponents. I'm sure you're a big fan. Take your pick from the Gulf States and so on and so But yeah, some fool businesman runs for president and Ireland is under a dictatorship, sure his comments probably got him an extra 15% of the votes ffs
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Romario 2016: And the ticket mafia gets caught! Well, four years ago I had already told the government.
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SuperDave84
Robbie Keane ooh Thomas, how could you do this to me! Joined: 26 Aug 2011 Location: Far Fungannon Status: Offline Points: 21384 |
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Grand. Change the definition of dictatorship to suit your ludicrous argument. If you're changing the terms of the argument, I'm done. A dictatorship controls people through fear of a hell of a lot more than just a fear of social opprobrium. The outcome of the election in this case is not indicative of a dictatorship, that's straight up democracy. If more people
had voted for Casey, and been persuaded by his nonsense, he'd have been
president. Casey ran. Casey chatted sh*te. Casey didn't win. The end. Of course, devaluing phrases like "dictatorship" is just what right wing reactionaries want, isn't it.
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planning
Ray Houghton Football version of Comical Ali. Joined: 17 Mar 2012 Status: Offline Points: 3836 |
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You've missed the point again. A dictatorship is not about arrests and legal proceedings, although it's no surprise you see it that way, with your background. A dictatorship is the controlling of what people do, say and/or think through fear. The fear that if they say or do something the "vast swathes of people disagree with" there will be some form of negative reaction/retribution. Which there was in this case. He may not have been arrested, but everyone in the public eye, from rival candidates to politicians and ordinary people lined up to attack him, enough for him to consider what the travellers instructed him to do i.e. withdraw from the contest. The liberal diktat is that everybody must be respected, regardless of background, belief, or circumstances. Someone who doesn't do that must be criticised and condemned, and there were plenty ready and willing to do that to Casey. Tbh, I've heard far more offensive comments down the years from career politicians with serious power and responsibilities. The election itself was a formality, so the so-called socialist can continue flying to Belfast under a "security" ruse, while enjoying the benefits of free market capitalism in €3k pn hotels, rather than shoehorn himself into embassy and ambassadors residencies, like a true socialist would. Such are the perks of having to sign off a few bits of paper from Leinster House week in week out for 14 years.
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eireland
Ray Houghton Joined: 12 Feb 2016 Status: Offline Points: 4276 |
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Yeah nation of thicks is right. Sure why don't we vote for this guy who did his talking with words rather then his actions. The man might aswell be titled the king of ireland because he's living like a king the last 7 years and for the next 7. I can't believe people have the cheek to question why we wouldn't vote for such a f**ked up system. Now if there's ever a referendum to cut the presidents pay, cut the term or better yet just cut the role I'll be the first in the door.
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SuperDave84
Robbie Keane ooh Thomas, how could you do this to me! Joined: 26 Aug 2011 Location: Far Fungannon Status: Offline Points: 21384 |
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I voted in the Brexit referendum and it was over 9 years since I had lived in the north. Now, I was eligible because they had a 15 year rule for that referendum (as in, any UK national resident in the north in the last 15 years could vote) but I think I was still registered as actually living there rather than on the 15 year rule. Electoral registers rely in large part on the honesty of the electorate.
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Bob Hoskins
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Do you think the political establishment want's all those non voters to vote, cause they are highly unlikely to vote for thos parties. I have a voting card up in my parents house these days as well as the one where I live, could easily vote twice if I was inclined, and like you and I there must be loads of others.
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Romario 2016: And the ticket mafia gets caught! Well, four years ago I had already told the government.
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lassassinblanc
Paul McGrath Cheese, it’s not just for eating Joined: 27 Sep 2010 Location: Clairefontaine Status: Offline Points: 16470 |
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Because they fear that that method is easily hackable and manipulated.
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Croftman
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Just a thought but why can't voting be done online? Send everyone out a password linked to their PPS number or something like that
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Some people just deserve a slap
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LO SCIENZIATO
Liam Brady Fucknut Of The Year Joined: 24 Aug 2018 Status: Offline Points: 1520 |
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nope
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Shedite
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lassassinblanc
Paul McGrath Cheese, it’s not just for eating Joined: 27 Sep 2010 Location: Clairefontaine Status: Offline Points: 16470 |
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I at least hope there were different people when you went back @ 4pm
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LO SCIENZIATO
Liam Brady Fucknut Of The Year Joined: 24 Aug 2018 Status: Offline Points: 1520 |
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went in with my own polling card at about 7.30am and asked for no i.d came home from work and Mrs brother was sent 2 polling cards 1 with his correct name and another with a different surname. so i went back down at 4pm and again never asked for i.d got down to waterford for the limerick game at 7pm and the mother had a polling card for me also at her address. again not asked for i.d
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lassassinblanc
Paul McGrath Cheese, it’s not just for eating Joined: 27 Sep 2010 Location: Clairefontaine Status: Offline Points: 16470 |
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Well I didn't get asked for ID, They took my card and name and then crossed my name off the list they had.
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