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    Posted: 10 Nov 2018 at 8:10pm
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Nice big cheer for Michael D at the rugger just now.
I think a lot of people like him and are glad (and relieved) he was re-elected, especially after the Peter Casey interview on the Late Late.
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The "fear" is of social reaction because of how most people think, not fear of anything more than that. Social reaction to unpopular views is understandable and not dictatorship. It's a concomitant of free speech, a central right in a free democracy, ffs. A right to free speech doesn't mean everyone has to agree with you and it doesn't leave you immune from criticism. Public discourse and the potential for criticism is one of the prices of free speech - it seems to be that which you disagree with.

Your opinion is far closer to dictatorship than anyone elses.
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Originally posted by SuperDave84 SuperDave84 wrote:

Grand. Change the definition of dictatorship to suit your argument. If you're changing the terms of the argument, I'm done. A dictatorship controls people through fear of a hell of a lot more than just a fear of social opprobrium. The outcome of the election in this case is not indicative of a dictatorship, that's straight up democracy. If more people had voted for Casey, and been persuaded by his nonsense, he'd have been president.

Casey ran. Casey chatted sh*te. Casey didn't win. The end.

I didn't change anything, I explained what a dictatorship is. You think it's about punishment, I said it's about control. If people are afraid to speak up, speak out, ask questions, challenge the established views out of fear, then they are being dictated to. It's why No voters were genuinely terrified to appear on camera, when a RTE camera crew went looking to find them in one Midlands town, during the 2015 referendum campaign. Not a single  one of them was brave enough to declare their intentions. It's why nobody here, and not many more abroad, dare say anything in public remotely critical about minorities, for fear of the response. It's why there is no pro-Trump outlet in the Irish media, even when he succeeds. Zero. It's why you could count the number of people on one hand, willing to back why Casey said what he said, in public. That's what fear does to people. It dictates how they behave, think, say, and do. 

The "election" was set up in such a way by the leading parties, for MDH to be re-elected. Most parties didn't bother fielding a candidate, and just put all their resources into advising people to re-elect him. While they're entitled to do that, it makes a farce of the thing. FF who used to win every Presidential election, have not officially put forward a candidate to stand in one, since McAleese over 20 years ago. A sign of the times we're in. 
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His entire argument is retarted.

"Peter Casey should be allowed say what he wants, because free speech"

"Anyone exercising their right to free speech to criticise him is not entitled to do so, because ... eh, let me think ... yeah, dictatorship"

It shows what kind of dictatorship he wants, anyway.
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Originally posted by planning planning wrote:

Originally posted by SuperDave84 SuperDave84 wrote:

Casey hasn't been censured by anyone. He hasn't been charged. He hasn't been arrested. He hasn't been punished. He hasn't been sued. He won't be charged. He won't be arrested. He won't be punished. He won't be sued.

What he has done is express an idea, tested it at the ballot box, and it looks like he has lost massively. That is the very definition of democracy, the exact opposite of dictatorship.

This is yet another example of right wing snowflakes screaming "dictatorship" when people disagree with them - the typical reaction of a dictator when someone disagrees with them.

Casey was criticised, as an exercise of free speech by those who disagreed with him. It didn't go further than that. He wasn't, hasn't and won't be subject to any legal proceedings.

You are entitled to offend people. There is no right not to be offended. But if you are running for elected office, and espouse a view that vast swathes of people disagree with, you simply cannot be surprised when it attracts public criticism.

You've missed the point again. 

A dictatorship is not about arrests and legal proceedings, although it's no surprise you see it that way, with your background. A dictatorship is the controlling of what people do, say and/or think through fear. The fear that if they say or do something the "vast swathes of people disagree with" there will be some form of negative reaction/retribution. Which there was in this case. 

He may not have been arrested, but everyone in the public eye, from rival candidates to politicians and ordinary people lined up to attack him, enough for him to consider what the travellers instructed him to do i.e. withdraw from the contest. The liberal diktat is that everybody must be respected, regardless of background, belief, or circumstances. Someone who doesn't do that must be criticised and condemned, and there were plenty ready and willing to do that to Casey. Tbh, I've heard far more offensive comments down the years from career politicians with serious power and responsibilities.

The election itself was a formality, so the so-called socialist can continue flying to Belfast under a "security" ruse, while enjoying the benefits of free market capitalism in €3k pn hotels, rather than shoehorn himself into embassy and ambassadors residencies, like a true socialist would.

Such are the perks of having to sign off a few bits of paper from Leinster House week in week out for 14 years. 

here you go PLanning Dictatorship LOL LOL LOL LOL

Here are some names of lovely ones Pol Pot, Stalin, Hitler. 
Currently in power we have Edogan - has locked up all the journalists he doesn't like and his opponents. I'm sure you're a big fan.
Take your pick from the Gulf States 
and so on and so 

But yeah, some fool businesman runs for president and Ireland is under a dictatorship, sure his comments probably got him an extra 15% of the votes ffs
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Grand. Change the definition of dictatorship to suit your ludicrous argument. If you're changing the terms of the argument, I'm done. A dictatorship controls people through fear of a hell of a lot more than just a fear of social opprobrium. The outcome of the election in this case is not indicative of a dictatorship, that's straight up democracy. If more people had voted for Casey, and been persuaded by his nonsense, he'd have been president.

Casey ran. Casey chatted sh*te. Casey didn't win. The end.

Of course, devaluing phrases like "dictatorship" is just what right wing reactionaries want, isn't it.


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Originally posted by SuperDave84 SuperDave84 wrote:

Casey hasn't been censured by anyone. He hasn't been charged. He hasn't been arrested. He hasn't been punished. He hasn't been sued. He won't be charged. He won't be arrested. He won't be punished. He won't be sued.

What he has done is express an idea, tested it at the ballot box, and it looks like he has lost massively. That is the very definition of democracy, the exact opposite of dictatorship.

This is yet another example of right wing snowflakes screaming "dictatorship" when people disagree with them - the typical reaction of a dictator when someone disagrees with them.

Casey was criticised, as an exercise of free speech by those who disagreed with him. It didn't go further than that. He wasn't, hasn't and won't be subject to any legal proceedings.

You are entitled to offend people. There is no right not to be offended. But if you are running for elected office, and espouse a view that vast swathes of people disagree with, you simply cannot be surprised when it attracts public criticism.

You've missed the point again. 

A dictatorship is not about arrests and legal proceedings, although it's no surprise you see it that way, with your background. A dictatorship is the controlling of what people do, say and/or think through fear. The fear that if they say or do something the "vast swathes of people disagree with" there will be some form of negative reaction/retribution. Which there was in this case. 

He may not have been arrested, but everyone in the public eye, from rival candidates to politicians and ordinary people lined up to attack him, enough for him to consider what the travellers instructed him to do i.e. withdraw from the contest. The liberal diktat is that everybody must be respected, regardless of background, belief, or circumstances. Someone who doesn't do that must be criticised and condemned, and there were plenty ready and willing to do that to Casey. Tbh, I've heard far more offensive comments down the years from career politicians with serious power and responsibilities.

The election itself was a formality, so the so-called socialist can continue flying to Belfast under a "security" ruse, while enjoying the benefits of free market capitalism in €3k pn hotels, rather than shoehorn himself into embassy and ambassadors residencies, like a true socialist would.

Such are the perks of having to sign off a few bits of paper from Leinster House week in week out for 14 years. 
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Originally posted by Cabra Hoop Cabra Hoop wrote:

Originally posted by 9fingers 9fingers wrote:

We should look after the homeless by making a millionaire business man president and oust the man who’s campaigned for equality & fairness all his political life. That’ll learn em!! 
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The man who's campaigned for equality and fairness all his political life has enjoyed seven years in the most privileged position in public life with little pressure and seems to have got a taste for the good life, after all he said in 2011 he was going to do the job for one term only if elected but has now done a u turn on that. Smoke salmon socialist...


Yeah nation of thicks is right. Sure why don't we vote for this guy who did his talking with words rather then his actions. The man might aswell be titled the king of ireland because he's living like a king the last 7 years and for the next 7. I can't believe people have the cheek to question why we wouldn't vote for such a f**ked up system. 

Now if there's ever a referendum to cut the presidents pay, cut the term or better yet just cut the role I'll be the first in the door. 
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I voted in the Brexit referendum and it was over 9 years since I had lived in the north. Now, I was eligible because they had a 15 year rule for that referendum (as in, any UK national resident in the north in the last 15 years could vote) but I think I was still registered as actually living there rather than on the 15 year rule.

Electoral registers rely in large part on the honesty of the electorate.


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Originally posted by LO SCIENZIATO LO SCIENZIATO wrote:

one thing i will say though is the electoral register is an absolute joke. countless duplicates were sent to houses, wrong names on polling cards etc. i won't lie i voted 3 times. twice in the same polling station under my own name and a wrong polling card. again in my own name in another constituency. 

1 way to solve it. make voting compulsory and fine anyone who doesn't vote €50. you will soon eliminate the holes in the register.

Do you think the political establishment want's all those non voters to vote, cause they are highly unlikely to vote for thos parties.

I have a voting card up in my parents house these days as well as the one where I live, could easily vote twice if I was inclined, and like you and I there must be loads of others. 
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Originally posted by Croftman Croftman wrote:

Just a thought but why can't voting be done online? Send everyone out a password linked to their PPS number or something like that 


Because they fear that that method is easily hackable and manipulated.
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Just a thought but why can't voting be done online? Send everyone out a password linked to their PPS number or something like that 
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Originally posted by lassassinblanc lassassinblanc wrote:

Originally posted by LO SCIENZIATO LO SCIENZIATO wrote:

Originally posted by lassassinblanc lassassinblanc wrote:

Originally posted by LO SCIENZIATO LO SCIENZIATO wrote:

one thing i will say though is the electoral register is an absolute joke. countless duplicates were sent to houses, wrong names on polling cards etc. i won't lie i voted 3 times. twice in the same polling station under my own name and a wrong polling card. again in my own name in another constituency. 

1 way to solve it. make voting compulsory and fine anyone who doesn't vote €50. you will soon eliminate the holes in the register.


How did you get away with that?

Did they not cross off your name when you voted?

went in with my own polling card at about 7.30am and asked for no i.d
came home from work and Mrs brother was sent 2 polling cards 1 with his correct name and another with a different surname. so i went back down at 4pm and again never asked for i.d
got down to waterford for the limerick game at 7pm and the mother had a polling card for me also at her address. again not asked for i.d 


I at least hope there were different people when you went back @ 4pm

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Originally posted by LO SCIENZIATO LO SCIENZIATO wrote:

one thing i will say though is the electoral register is an absolute joke. countless duplicates were sent to houses, wrong names on polling cards etc. i won't lie i voted 3 times. twice in the same polling station under my own name and a wrong polling card. again in my own name in another constituency. 

1 way to solve it. make voting compulsory and fine anyone who doesn't vote €50. you will soon eliminate the holes in the register.
Would you not just have voted 3 times to avoid the fine?
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Originally posted by LO SCIENZIATO LO SCIENZIATO wrote:

Originally posted by lassassinblanc lassassinblanc wrote:

Originally posted by LO SCIENZIATO LO SCIENZIATO wrote:

one thing i will say though is the electoral register is an absolute joke. countless duplicates were sent to houses, wrong names on polling cards etc. i won't lie i voted 3 times. twice in the same polling station under my own name and a wrong polling card. again in my own name in another constituency. 

1 way to solve it. make voting compulsory and fine anyone who doesn't vote €50. you will soon eliminate the holes in the register.


How did you get away with that?

Did they not cross off your name when you voted?

went in with my own polling card at about 7.30am and asked for no i.d
came home from work and Mrs brother was sent 2 polling cards 1 with his correct name and another with a different surname. so i went back down at 4pm and again never asked for i.d
got down to waterford for the limerick game at 7pm and the mother had a polling card for me also at her address. again not asked for i.d 


I at least hope there were different people when you went back @ 4pm
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Originally posted by lassassinblanc lassassinblanc wrote:

Originally posted by LO SCIENZIATO LO SCIENZIATO wrote:

one thing i will say though is the electoral register is an absolute joke. countless duplicates were sent to houses, wrong names on polling cards etc. i won't lie i voted 3 times. twice in the same polling station under my own name and a wrong polling card. again in my own name in another constituency. 

1 way to solve it. make voting compulsory and fine anyone who doesn't vote €50. you will soon eliminate the holes in the register.


How did you get away with that?

Did they not cross off your name when you voted?

went in with my own polling card at about 7.30am and asked for no i.d
came home from work and Mrs brother was sent 2 polling cards 1 with his correct name and another with a different surname. so i went back down at 4pm and again never asked for i.d
got down to waterford for the limerick game at 7pm and the mother had a polling card for me also at her address. again not asked for i.d 
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Originally posted by Trap junior Trap junior wrote:

I think you get asked for ID


Well I didn't get asked for ID, They took my card and name and then crossed my name off the list they had.
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