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Baldrick
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The players have said they knew Keane thought many of Them were mediocre and accepted sub standards setups and that’s why many of Them were at mediocre clubs in comparison to Keane. He didn’t say anything that they didn’t know anyway. They would have been selfish and wanted Keane there as it would have enabled them getting far in the tournament. It was mick who didn’t want Keane about anymore not the players. Mick basically put his pride ahead of the overall success of the team. Keane did the same me was far worse, but mick should not be given a free pass. As I said he is a manager for decent lads. Not ****s with egos.
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Baldrick
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Mick should have brought them
To wet and wild
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Trap junior
Robbie Keane YBIG Minister of Doom & Gloom Joined: 25 Jan 2010 Location: Irish Riviera Status: Offline Points: 39849 |
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The camp would have been toxic had he stayed. Mick would have lost all respect from the players had he accepted him back. Alex Ferguson one of the best managers in the world and a great man manager f**ked him out when he did the exact same thing at United and he would have done the exact same thing even if Keane was younger. If Keane had stayed in 2002 it would be like Ronaldo staying at United now after sl*gging everyone off on tv. It would be a circus and the team would have flopped. Keane was totally at fault. Mick was put in an impossible situation from which he could not win regardless of how he handled it. Fact is Keane wanted a row. He was brewing up for a long time and wanted to unleash on someone. Edited by Trap junior - 22 Nov 2022 at 8:48pm |
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Yes, it's the right thing to do. No player is bigger than the team. |
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That’s a simplification. Robbie Keane - as one example - would’ve had an ego. Did Mick have issues with him? There’s quite a large difference between a guy with an ego - they’re ten-a-penny in football - and a disrespectful, insubordinate and bitter guy who, by his own admission, had a drink problem, hated the manager, and had major issues controlling his own self-sabotaging instincts - and those instincts were very evident in Saipan. The idea that Mick wasn’t good enough to manage him is a total fallacy given that, A; he had shown disrespect and dismissiveness towards Mick from day one, yet Mick had persisted with him despite this (where others may have lost their patience), and B; when he showed the same attitude at United he was f**ked out. Did Ferguson not jump over a table to go for him? And yet Mick is criticised as not having been able to manage him? Of course Mick knew he needed him badly; if anything, the fact that Mick are so much sh*t for him for so long goes to show he knew what he had to do to keep Keane onside and, by and large, he did that for the greater good.
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Fitz
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Absolutely! If he didn’t he’d be clearly demonstrating that he was weak, indecisive and unfit to lead.
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Cabra Hoop
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" BFC always gives me a laugh........ "
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Fitz
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To some extent, yes, and Keane had gotten away with more than most for that exact reason. But when you’re undermining your boss - even in circumstances where you may have a valid point - you’re treading on very thin ice. No boss can let themselves be clearly undermined. If Mick was going to accept that, then, he may as well have been the one who packed his bags. I often feel that Keane gets unwarranted support and defence from people because we needed him so badly, but that’s a kind of ‘rise-tinted-specs’ approach. If we had produced 50 world-class footballers instead of probably less than 5, then, Keane’s actions would’ve been viewed with a lot more accuracy and a lot more contempt.
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Fitz
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In fairness, CH, would you get away with that level of disrespect and contempt at your workplace? (Regardless of how good you are at your job)? And, if it’s you that’s the boss, would you accept being made a **** of by your best employer (and over a prolonged period, at that)? I highly doubt it.
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Both ****s.
The End.
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" BFC always gives me a laugh........ "
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Baldrick
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Ferguson only f**ked him out when he no longer performed on the pitch. You don’t get all principled when it comes to your best player. Allowances are given for someone who is fundamental to success. Ferguson let Keane do his bidding many times before but drew the line when he did it and was finished as a player. His time at Celtic showed that. The same with Utd and Ronaldo. Exceptions are made for generational talents. Neville has confirmed that the mutv interview was no different that what Keane has said many times before. The difference was Keane’s ability had reduced massively. Keane at his peak would have been fined and kept. In an ideal world Keane wouldn’t have did what he did and he has little excuse to say what he said about the players. But Mick was too nice a guy esp with the FAI. It’s a bad state of affairs when it’s a player who has to ask for things to be done properly and the manager just accepts the mediocrity.
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Wrong. He would have f**ked him out at any stage of his career. He got rid of Jaap Staam and Van Nistelrooy and Beckham when they acted above their station and they were in the prime of their careers and performing well at the time. If you read Fergies book he says management is all about control and ianyone who questions your authority has to be got rid of regardless of who they are or how good a player they are.
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The point is if we had loads of him he probably wouldn’t have acted up and if he did we would rightly get rid of him as we could afford to. You got to Manage the situation and not let pride or principles get in the way of the overall good of the squad. Cantona didn’t get f**ked out when he jumped into The crowd. Why because Ferguson knew he needed him. He wouldn’t have been the same with Luke Chadwick.
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Cantona did not question his manager or sl*g off his team mates. Different scenario. Plus the **** Matthew Simmons deserved it.
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Ferguson a got rid of staam because of injury and admitted he got it wrong. Ruud was moved on as he was holding Ronaldo back and Ferguson spotted who was the world class talent and who was on the wain. Beckham was moved on because football was not his only priority. Ferguson spotted this. That could never be leveled at Keane. Keane laid into the utd publicly a few times and he was not Moved on. He was arrested and he was not moved on. Why because Ferguson needed him. Same with Cantona. Ferguson put the foot down when he knew he could afford to. He did not cut off his nose despite his face. Mick Did. |
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Baldrick
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When did Keane question Ferguson in the MuFc interview. It was the players and something he had done before. As I said Neville has confirmed he did it plenty of Times before. |
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