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zizu Kilbane 
Jack Charlton 
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Literally can't understand how anyone could vote no.
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"Sometimes, sh*t happens, someone's gotta deal with it, and who ya gonna call?"
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BigPodge
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Posted: 09 May 2018 at 3:53pm |
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That's a bit harsh of Bhob alright.
Sorry for your loss Randy.
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Roberto Baggio
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Posted: 09 May 2018 at 3:54pm |
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Some shocking ignorant comments on this thread
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Sham157
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Posted: 09 May 2018 at 3:56pm |
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ffs Bhob, thats a shocking thin* to say to someone whos gone through something and equates to some of the nonsense coming from elelments of the no side.
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Darraghn92
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Posted: 09 May 2018 at 3:59pm |
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Medically speaking it is a fetus until birth, whereby it becomes a baby. Pregnant women know that their fetus will soon become a baby if they let the pregnancy continue. It's quite likely that most pregnant woman with wanted pregnancies refer to it as a baby. On the other hand, an unhappily pregnant woman who is not expecting may view her fetus with dismay and refuse to see it as a baby. Both of these reactions to a fetus are perfectly valid and natural, and both may even occur in the same woman several years apart. Abortion is an extremely personal decision and ultimately people will be voting on whether or not fetuses do have a right to life that outweighs the right of the woman to control her fertility and her life.
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bhob
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Posted: 09 May 2018 at 4:01pm |
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Apologies, I must have misread his initial comment
Honestly I only glanced at it, I would never in a million years have said what I did had I read it and understood fully what was said. Edit - going back now I see the original post has now been edited to include the part that was not there originally. My initial response was to what was posted unedited.
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Het-field
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Posted: 09 May 2018 at 4:07pm |
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I can't think of a single medical professional I encountered who would use the term "foetus" when not talking about it in the abstract.
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Croftman
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Posted: 09 May 2018 at 4:35pm |
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Never heard that story. That's absolutely horrible
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Some people just deserve a slap
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zizu Kilbane
Jack Charlton
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That's what this really comes down to in a nutshell. It is completely immoral that we are outsourcing abortions to the UK. Hundreds of Irish women are having abortions everyday. As much as some people want to put their fingers in their ears and ignore it, it's already happening. It's a reality. |
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"Sometimes, sh*t happens, someone's gotta deal with it, and who ya gonna call?"
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Het-field
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Posted: 09 May 2018 at 4:56pm |
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it's probably the worst example of NIMBY politics in the Western World.
It's hypocrisy and cover up all in one, which effects the poorest of the poor, and does not provide for equal opportunity in medical treatment.
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greenforever
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Posted: 09 May 2018 at 5:29pm |
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Both sides are exaggerating the facts to suit their own agenda.
Some harsh facts like it or not are Abortion is killing an unborn child, be it 4 weeks or 12 weeks or further into the pregnacy The vast majority of girls having an abortion are not victims of rape or carrying a child that will either not survive or will be severely deformed. These are facts that most on the repeal side do not want to face or accept If the referendum is carried the oireachtas will be able to pass whatever laws it wishes in the future on this subject. There is no guarantee that any abortion legislation will actually get carried given how emotive the issue is and the hardened views on both sides. On the Vote No side, there are posters which I would hope are blatant lies, I would hope that not 1 in 5 pregnancies for example are terminated in the UK. A yes vote does not mean unlimited abortion, even though that could happen in the future, it doesn't even guarantee any abortion legislation will be passed. A yes vote will not stop girls getting abortions either in the UK or via online tablets or whatever. How will i vote? Very reluctantly I will vote yes, because I don't believe I have the right to tell a woman what to do, but I do know that there will be very many girls who will get abortions that may not have done so without a yes vote, and some of those abortions will be for pure selfish reasons. I would go as far to say there will be a lot more girls that will have abortions for purely personal and possibly selfish reasons than will do so because of rape or health issues relating to the pregnancy. Lastly as a previous poster posted, anyone who loses a child due to a miscarriage, will not feel any less devastation because the foetus was only X weeks old.
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I know nothing :-)
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Padraig
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Posted: 09 May 2018 at 5:32pm |
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To the 32.61% of people who said they'd vote no here, are you all going to be campaigning for a repeal of the 13th amendment? Or is it O.K. for Irish women to have abortions if they have them in England?
For the 68%, consider donating to the online ad fund: http://donate.togetherforyes.ie/
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Padraig
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Posted: 09 May 2018 at 5:34pm |
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I'm glad that you're voting Yes, but I don't know how you can know what I have highlighted there.
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MC Hammered
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Posted: 09 May 2018 at 5:40pm |
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Is anyone else encountering problems trying to donate here? There are mandatory fields to be filled in for State/Province and Country but the drop down lists are empty.
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Padraig
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Posted: 09 May 2018 at 5:50pm |
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An excellent post I saw on Facebook: If you wouldn't force someone to spend months carrying a child that will die trying to take its first breath, you support repeal. If you wouldn't force a homeless person to stay pregnant, you support repeal. If you wouldn't force a woman who already has children to risk leaving them motherless, you support repeal. If you wouldn't force a person with a chronic illness to be crippled and possibly killed by pregnancy, you support repeal. If you wouldn't use a brain-dead person as an incubator, you support repeal. If you wouldn't send a woman to prison for 14 years for procuring an abortion, you support repeal. If you wouldn't support forced C-sections, inductions, episiotomies, sweepings, and medication, you support repeal. If you trust women, you support repeal.'' You do not need to be pro-abortion to vote yes. |
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Padraig
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It seems as if the site is unavailable right now, hopefully because of large numbers donating!
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Het-field
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I think the statistic is true, but the devil is in the detail, namely termination can include miscarriage, given the use of the procedure to terminate the pregnancy. Not all of the 1/5 pregnancies are terminations of choice. In many cases there is no life left as the baby has passed on in the womb, and as such the life is not being terminated, only the ongoing, unviable pregnancy. The baby may not have been viable from the get-go, or something may have happened whereby the pregnancy was terminated. That is truly sad for those who suffer the misfortune, and the fact that they are being used as statistics to make a political point is gruesome.
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nvidic
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For every four births in the UK there is one abortion, its been proven true. Now that doesn't bother me but will bother some. I keep seeing this contraception argument, yes some will be due to people not having used contraception and then the morning after pill but surely that's better than being born to a family who doesn't want them or doesn't have the means to look after them? Only have to walk through Dublin city to see the amount of kids being dragged along by people who have no capacity to look after them. Just giving a child a deprived life. Just to note that 12 weeks is short, there was uproar in the US lately after one state cut it back to 15 weeks.
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