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Poll Question: Will you vote to Repeal the 8th amendment?
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If the no vote wins ... we just go for another vote in a few years time ? Pointless scenario over the 8th . Let the women have the option if they need it they need it . Why should others decide what you can and cant do
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Originally posted by Butch Butch wrote:

If the no vote wins ... we just go for another vote in a few years time ? Pointless scenario over the 8th . Let the women have the option if they need it they need it . Why should others decide what you can and cant do

The last sentence is unbelievably hypocritical.
 


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Originally posted by RKeane RKeane wrote:

What exactly do people voting yes want? To make it easier for people to murder their mistakes?  If a woman's life is in danger then abortion is legal in Ireland which is the way it should be. If a woman's life is in danger or she was raped she definitely should have the right to an abortion but if the 8th is repealed you will get thousands of young girls killing unborn baby's because they decided to not use protection. Where is the rights for the unborn child? This whole referendum screams feminists & hipsters brigade jumping on whatever bandwagon they can get on 

Repeal of the 8th does nothing of the sort.

What is missed here is that unless the Oireachtas actually legislated after the vote, the status quo in relation to "on demand" abortion is maintained. Particularly conservative governments in the future may also repeal legislation which permits the 12 week limit. It is up to the Oireachtas o legislate for abortion. Repeal of the 8th amendment doesn't change anything in a legal sense, apart from the constitutional aspect.
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Originally posted by RKeane RKeane wrote:

What exactly do people voting yes want? To make it easier for people to murder their mistakes?  If a woman's life is in danger then abortion is legal in Ireland which is the way it should be. If a woman's life is in danger or she was raped she definitely should have the right to an abortion but if the 8th is repealed you will get thousands of young girls killing unborn baby's because they decided to not use protection. Where is the rights for the unborn child? This whole referendum screams feminists & hipsters brigade jumping on whatever bandwagon they can get on 
Feminists & Hipsters.... great arguement Embarrassed
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Originally posted by RKeane RKeane wrote:

Originally posted by Butch Butch wrote:

If the no vote wins ... we just go for another vote in a few years time ? Pointless scenario over the 8th . Let the women have the option if they need it they need it . Why should others decide what you can and cant do

The last sentence is unbelievably hypocritical.
 



How is it ? There is a service for abortion use it if needed (yes vote) if it disgusts so much you dont use it but you don't get to decide what other women want ?
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How many times has it to said, we are not voting for abortion on demand. 
Can we not just stick to facts here
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Originally posted by RKeane RKeane wrote:

What exactly do people voting yes want? To make it easier for people to murder their mistakes?  If a woman's life is in danger then abortion is legal in Ireland which is the way it should be. If a woman's life is in danger or she was raped she definitely should have the right to an abortion but if the 8th is repealed you will get thousands of young girls killing unborn baby's because they decided to not use protection. Where is the rights for the unborn child? This whole referendum screams feminists & hipsters brigade jumping on whatever bandwagon they can get on 

Abortion is legal in only extreme cases where the mother is actively dying. In 2016 there were only 25 cases of abortion carried out in Ireland. The only way for rape victims to access abortion services in Ireland is for the 8th to be repealed and if you actually bothered to research the issue you'll find that most women who undergo abortions in the UK were using protection at the time. No protection is 100% effective, and to imply that women will start using abortions as such is truly ignorant on your part. 
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Originally posted by RKeane RKeane wrote:

What exactly do people voting yes want? To make it easier for people to murder their mistakes?  If a woman's life is in danger then abortion is legal in Ireland which is the way it should be. If a woman's life is in danger or she was raped she definitely should have the right to an abortion but if the 8th is repealed you will get thousands of young girls killing unborn baby's because they decided to not use protection. Where is the rights for the unborn child? This whole referendum screams feminists & hipsters brigade jumping on whatever bandwagon they can get on 

Ridiculous sentence, bandwagon ffs LOL

I would consider myself anti-abortion but I think the positives outweigh the negatives when considering what way to vote.

I think the thing that swayed me the most to voting Yes was the story on the Late Late a few weeks back about the couple who had to travel to the UK to induce labour as their baby had developed with it's organs on the outside and would die instantly when born, they wouldn't do it for them in this country and expected the woman to go full term as the baby was able to breathe in the womb and they couldn't interfere with the pregnancy.

Not only did they have to travel to the UK but I think due to financial constraints they couldn't wait for the baby to be cremated and had to return home and have the remains sent by courier back to Ireland.

f**kin heartbreaking stuff and the thoughts of ever having to do something like that with my partner is more than enough to sway me.
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Originally posted by Butch Butch wrote:

If the no vote wins ... we just go for another vote in a few years time ? Pointless scenario over the 8th . Let the women have the option if they need it they need it . Why should others decide what you can and cant do

No because the last referendum was in 1983 which was 35 years ago, so no one of child bearing age at the time as able to vote on that issue (18 year old voters at the time would be 53 now). This issue will not come about again in the next few years
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Originally posted by randyrandolph randyrandolph wrote:

Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Originally posted by bhob bhob wrote:

Just reading some of the online comments in social media from the Pro-Lifers would make you sick...
 
A baby is a baby regardless of whether it's 2 weeks in the womb or 12 weeks.... there's a hidden agenda here by the government and they're up to something, this won't be just as per the referendum.
 
What kind of special case thinks like this?

I've mentioned he timeline here before. Most people won't actually know they are pregnant until they are 6-8 weeks along. The first four weeks of the pregnancy covers the gap between the last period and the conception of the child, which is hard to calculate. But by the time you'll know that you're pregnant and have it confirmed and have had a scan, you'll be able to see the heartbeat, and that can be within two weeks of actual conception.

When life brings is a hard moral question.

this is all true. no woman knows they are 2 weeks pregnant. that said, i don't buy into the argument that a baby at 10 weeks is any less of a baby than one at 12 weeks, or 40 weeks for that matter. abortion is ending a life. you can dress it up however you like but that is the truth. you are making a conscious decision to stop someones life. there is therefore a question about morality and who can make that decision. morality is not a question of following church doctrine. 

the extreme cases (rape, incest) often cloud the debate when in reality they make up for only a tiny percentage of abortions.  they should be debated as part of the wider debate but often these emotive issues distract from the core issue which is what is more important - a woman's choice or that of an unborn child. 

 
Well for a start it's not a baby it's a foetus and there is a massive difference between at foetus at 12 weeks than 40 weeks when it's either born or ready to pop out.
 
"Abortion is ending a life" How would you feel if your wife or partner was going to have a baby that would put her life and the babies in serious danger? Would you want her to carry out the risk know that they both might die or as a result she might not be able to ever have another child?
 
The person or people who can and should make the decision are those who were needed to conceive the baby and a medical professional, not some raving god fearing lunatic with pictures of chopped up foetuses.
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Originally posted by 9fingers 9fingers wrote:

How many times has it to said, we are not voting for abortion on demand. 
Can we not just stick to facts here
Doesnt suit the NO agenda.

The wording of the new article 40.3.3 will read:


 The provision may be made by law for the regulation of the termination of pregnancy.
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Originally posted by RKeane RKeane wrote:

What exactly do people voting yes want? To make it easier for people to murder their mistakes?  If a woman's life is in danger then abortion is legal in Ireland which is the way it should be. If a woman's life is in danger or she was raped she definitely should have the right to an abortion but if the 8th is repealed you will get thousands of young girls killing unborn baby's because they decided to not use protection. Where is the rights for the unborn child? This whole referendum screams feminists & hipsters brigade jumping on whatever bandwagon they can get on 

They were all on the bandwagon in France too, any bandwagon will do LOL

Think about what you are saying rather than engaging in an emotional rant LOL
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Originally posted by Darraghn92 Darraghn92 wrote:

Originally posted by Butch Butch wrote:

If the no vote wins ... we just go for another vote in a few years time ? Pointless scenario over the 8th . Let the women have the option if they need it they need it . Why should others decide what you can and cant do

No because the last referendum was in 1983 which was 35 years ago, so no one of child bearing age at the time as able to vote on that issue (18 year old voters at the time would be 53 now). This issue will not come about again in the next few years

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Originally posted by Sham157 Sham157 wrote:

Originally posted by 9fingers 9fingers wrote:

How many times has it to said, we are not voting for abortion on demand. 
Can we not just stick to facts here
Doesnt suit the NO agenda.

The wording of the new article 40.3.3 will read:


 The provision may be made by law for the regulation of the termination of pregnancy.


 Agenda? The no vote are people voting to give an unborn child thier only right 





Edited by RKeane - 09 May 2018 at 3:41pm
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Originally posted by bhob bhob wrote:

Originally posted by randyrandolph randyrandolph wrote:

Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Originally posted by bhob bhob wrote:

Just reading some of the online comments in social media from the Pro-Lifers would make you sick...
 
A baby is a baby regardless of whether it's 2 weeks in the womb or 12 weeks.... there's a hidden agenda here by the government and they're up to something, this won't be just as per the referendum.
 
What kind of special case thinks like this?

I've mentioned he timeline here before. Most people won't actually know they are pregnant until they are 6-8 weeks along. The first four weeks of the pregnancy covers the gap between the last period and the conception of the child, which is hard to calculate. But by the time you'll know that you're pregnant and have it confirmed and have had a scan, you'll be able to see the heartbeat, and that can be within two weeks of actual conception.

When life brings is a hard moral question.

this is all true. no woman knows they are 2 weeks pregnant. that said, i don't buy into the argument that a baby at 10 weeks is any less of a baby than one at 12 weeks, or 40 weeks for that matter. abortion is ending a life. you can dress it up however you like but that is the truth. you are making a conscious decision to stop someones life. there is therefore a question about morality and who can make that decision. morality is not a question of following church doctrine. 

the extreme cases (rape, incest) often cloud the debate when in reality they make up for only a tiny percentage of abortions.  they should be debated as part of the wider debate but often these emotive issues distract from the core issue which is what is more important - a woman's choice or that of an unborn child. 

 
Well for a start it's not a baby it's a foetus and there is a massive difference between at foetus at 12 weeks than 40 weeks when it's either born or ready to pop out.
 
"Abortion is ending a life" How would you feel if your wife or partner was going to have a baby that would put her life and the babies in serious danger? Would you want her to carry out the risk know that they both might die or as a result she might not be able to ever have another child?
 
The person or people who can and should make the decision are those who were needed to conceive the baby and a medical professional, not some raving god fearing lunatic with pictures of chopped up foetuses.

having experienced seeing an unborn baby alive and growing at 10 weeks - and lost it after - i can assure to us it was a baby.



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Originally posted by RKeane RKeane wrote:

What exactly do people voting yes want? To make it easier for people to murder their mistakes?  If a woman's life is in danger then abortion is legal in Ireland which is the way it should be. If a woman's life is in danger or she was raped she definitely should have the right to an abortion but if the 8th is repealed you will get thousands of young girls killing unborn baby's because they decided to not use protection. Where is the rights for the unborn child? This whole referendum screams feminists & hipsters brigade jumping on whatever bandwagon they can get on 
 
It's morons like you that are completely and utterly uneducated on this referendum that vote no because they don't take the time to read what the vote is actually about.
 
Using abortion as a form of contraception isn't what this is about.
 
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Originally posted by RKeane RKeane wrote:

Originally posted by Sham157 Sham157 wrote:

Originally posted by 9fingers 9fingers wrote:

How many times has it to said, we are not voting for abortion on demand. 
Can we not just stick to facts here
Doesnt suit the NO agenda.

The wording of the new article 40.3.3 will read:


 The provision may be made by law for the regulation of the termination of pregnancy.


 Agenda? The no vote are people voting to give an unborn child thier only right 



Yes agenda. The lies being pedalled by the no side claiming that repeal will mean abortion on demand up to 6 months amongst other things when thats simply not the case. Repeal simply means that the oireachtas will have the power to draft and move legislation. That same legislation could be defeated in either the dail or seanad. But dont let that get in the way of the crap being pedalled. 

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Originally posted by 9fingers 9fingers wrote:

How many times has it to said, we are not voting for abortion on demand. 
Can we not just stick to facts here
Up to 12 weeks we are
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