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randyrandolph
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this is all true. no woman knows they are 2 weeks pregnant. that said, i don't buy into the argument that a baby at 10 weeks is any less of a baby than one at 12 weeks, or 40 weeks for that matter. abortion is ending a life. you can dress it up however you like but that is the truth. you are making a conscious decision to stop someones life. there is therefore a question about morality and who can make that decision. morality is not a question of following church doctrine. the extreme cases (rape, incest) often cloud the debate when in reality they make up for only a tiny percentage of abortions. they should be debated as part of the wider debate but often these emotive issues distract from the core issue which is what is more important - a woman's choice or that of an unborn child. |
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sid waddell
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Classic Hendrix Inside an Irish hospital Got a septic
foetus inside my wall Tonight's
the night to abort and make me healthy Come on Doctor, now,
there's no time to stall But now you're telling me
I think we
better wait 'til you're dyin' Got to make sure it's died So until tomorrow goodnight Oh what a drag
Oh
Savita, how can we hang you out this way
Got
to make sure it's died
Oh
the 8th Amendment must be insane Why'd you have to wait til' I'm dyin'
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Devrozex
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Why did straight people get to vote on the marriage referendum? It's a societal issue and therefore should be voted on by society as a whole.
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oldbilly
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I’d be of the opinion this should be a women’s issue, voted on by the women of this country , why should men get to vote on women’s health ??
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BigPodge
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Eh the incidents were witnessed by a family member
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Het-field
Roy Keane By Appointment to His Majesty The King Joined: 08 Mar 2016 Status: Online Points: 10767 |
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I've mentioned he timeline here before. Most people won't actually know they are pregnant until they are 6-8 weeks along. The first four weeks of the pregnancy covers the gap between the last period and the conception of the child, which is hard to calculate. But by the time you'll know that you're pregnant and have it confirmed and have had a scan, you'll be able to see the heartbeat, and that can be within two weeks of actual conception. When life brings is a hard moral question.
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randyrandolph
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why does this make you sick?
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Het-field
Roy Keane By Appointment to His Majesty The King Joined: 08 Mar 2016 Status: Online Points: 10767 |
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It didn't criminalise anybody. It was about the constitutional right to citizenship by virtue of being born on the island. People were still entitled to have their babies on the island, and people could have babies overseas and still claim citizenship.
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bhob
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Just reading some of the online comments in social media from the Pro-Lifers would make you sick...
A baby is a baby regardless of whether it's 2 weeks in the womb or 12 weeks.... there's a hidden agenda here by the government and they're up to something, this won't be just as per the referendum. What kind of special case thinks like this?
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sid waddell
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More posters. Way more online ads. Investing in the services of Aggergate IQ etc. Say what you see, as somebody once said. This is effectively the anti-choicers' last stand in the Western world. It has huge symbolic value for them.
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UCDFAN
Liam Brady Joined: 10 May 2009 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 1700 |
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Sorry the first two lines of the second paragraph. "Right to personal Medical Decision Right for Women to make personal decision over body Previously Right to Travel was an Abortion issue. " Messages in this 2018 campaign which remind voters of these entitlements. These same messages could've been used to challenge 27th Amendment where the proponents crimalised women who were pregnant in Ireland.
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Shedite
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Het-field
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Okay. Fair enough. But what aspects of the campaign could have been used in both cases?
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UCDFAN
Liam Brady Joined: 10 May 2009 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 1700 |
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No, it's some of the YES campaign 2018 that could be used for the defence of the defeated NO campaign of the 27th.
Right to personal Medical Decision Right for Women to make personal decision over body Previously Right to Travel was an Abortion issue. The Single Equality Ground equalists for Gender don't seem to link 27th and 8th/36th because 27th was Ethnicity/Nationality and 8th/36th is Gender. My politics links 27th and 8th/36th campaigns. I'd be into multi-Equality Ground politics. |
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Het-field
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I would like to say I understand how you draw the link between the politics of this amendment, and the Citizenship referendum in 2004. Don't forget, we had a very limited referendum on the issue in 2002, which had a narrow rejection. Are you saying that the politics of the pro-amendment side in 2004 are similar to the politics of the anti repeal side in 2018?
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UCDFAN
Liam Brady Joined: 10 May 2009 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 1700 |
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For me, the 27th Amendment and those it excluded can be linked with the campaign politics of this 8th/36th Amendment.
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Het-field
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Am I to assume your beef is with the 2004 Citizenship referendum, and its outcome?
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