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Posted: 31 May 2018 at 10:02am |
At first from Superdave's post and the article I read after it suggested it too, that he actually was shot, but I don't think that's the case.
Apparently his wife thought he'd been shot dead as well
Will wait for more of this soap opera to come out. Bizzare.
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Posted: 31 May 2018 at 10:32am |
Will it go full Scooby Doo and they take his mask off to reveal he was really someone else all along?
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Posted: 31 May 2018 at 11:10am |
What a mad story.
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Posted: 13 Aug 2020 at 2:36pm |
About f**king time
https://twitter.com/Billbrowder/status/1293901550788775936
BREAKING: I’ve just been informed that a draft proposal for an EU Magnitsky Act has been circulated to all the Commission DG's by the EU Council. The regulation is titled "concerning restrictive measures against serious human rights violations and abuses".
We’re still trying to track down the exact wording of the draft EU Magnitsky Act to make sure the language is tough enough (and that it includes corruption and kleptocracy).
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Posted: 20 Aug 2020 at 11:36am |
I see Putin has brazenly poisoned Alexei Navalny
He really doesn't like what's happening in Belarus
Russia bots all over the INTERNET are currently in full gaslighting mode
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Posted: 21 Aug 2020 at 10:05am |
Putin is blocking the transportation of Navalny to Germany via air ambulance
I guess he's afraid the Germans might find something, like, say, a poison that is only available to the Russian regime
Maybe Baldrick can enlighten us
The Russian regime is fascist scum
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Posted: 17 Oct 2020 at 11:31am |
NewtNewbie, what's your view on Putin and Russian fascism?
What sources would you recommend to learn about Russia?
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Posted: 17 Oct 2020 at 7:01pm |
sid waddell wrote:
NewtNewbie, what's your view on Putin and Russian fascism?
What sources would you recommend to learn about Russia? |
Okay, I'll humour you.
To be absolutely clear, I despise Putin and the kleptocratic oligarchs who rule the Russian Federation. It is antithetical to every principle I hold dear.
That said, 'Russiagate' and the theory of underhanded Russian interference in the UK referendum on EU membership has been thoroughly debunked.
A distinction has to be made between the Russian administration and Russia. Russophobia is not, and never will be, an acceptable form of racism.
If someone were to suggest that Jewish people controlled and influenced every election and that any democratic outcome that didn't go quite the way the accuser wanted was the result of the malign influence of Jews they'd be rightly condemned as anti-Semitic scum and shunned from polite society.
The attitude to oddball conspiracy theoristists who suggest the same of Russians should be no different.
Edited by NewtNewbie - 17 Oct 2020 at 7:03pm
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Posted: 17 Oct 2020 at 7:11pm |
NewtNewbie wrote:
sid waddell wrote:
NewtNewbie, what's your view on Putin and Russian fascism?
What sources would you recommend to learn about Russia? |
Okay, I'll humour you.
To be absolutely clear, I despise Putin and the kleptocratic oligarchs who rule the Russian Federation. It is antithetical to every principle I hold dear.
That said, Russiagate and underhand Russian interference in the UK referendum on EU membership has been thoroughly debunked.
A distinction has to be made between the Russian administration and Russia. Russophobia is not, and never will be, an acceptable form of racism.
If someone were to suggest that Jewish people controlled and influenced every election and that any democratic outcome that didn't go quite the way the accuser wanted was the result of the malign influence of Jews they'd be rightly condemned as anti-Semitic scum and shunned from polite society.
The attitude to oddball conspiracy theoristists who suggest the same of Russians should be no different. |
Who has it been debunked by?
Putin?
His kleptocratic oligarchs?
Trump? Fox News?
Why at this very moment is Trump reciting a Russian disinformation campaign?
Why are you doing so?
Your allegations of anti-Russian racism are some laugh, desperation stuff - Putin is raping Russia for his own monetary benefit, is intent on destroying democracy in Europe, has killed his own people with bombs, is an imperialist war monger, and the people you seem to get your views from, ie. the dirtbag pro-Russia left, are totally silent on it
It's pathetic to see, especially given that your views are dripping with white privilege and you seem quite happy to see fascism in the US continue
What are your views on the following:
Tulsi Gabbard Glenn Greenwald Matt Taibbi Bernie Sanders Katie Halper John Pilger Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Seumas Milne
Edited by sid waddell - 17 Oct 2020 at 7:11pm
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Posted: 17 Oct 2020 at 7:37pm |
sid waddell wrote:
NewtNewbie wrote:
sid waddell wrote:
NewtNewbie, what's your view on Putin and Russian fascism?
What sources would you recommend to learn about Russia? |
Okay, I'll humour you.
To be absolutely clear, I despise Putin and the kleptocratic oligarchs who rule the Russian Federation. It is antithetical to every principle I hold dear.
That said, Russiagate and underhand Russian interference in the UK referendum on EU membership has been thoroughly debunked.
A distinction has to be made between the Russian administration and Russia. Russophobia is not, and never will be, an acceptable form of racism.
If someone were to suggest that Jewish people controlled and influenced every election and that any democratic outcome that didn't go quite the way the accuser wanted was the result of the malign influence of Jews they'd be rightly condemned as anti-Semitic scum and shunned from polite society.
The attitude to oddball conspiracy theoristists who suggest the same of Russians should be no different. |
Who has it been debunked by?
Putin?
His kleptocratic oligarchs?
Trump? Fox News?
Why at this very moment is Trump reciting a Russian disinformation campaign?
Why are you doing so?
Your allegations of anti-Russian racism are some laugh, desperation stuff - Putin is raping Russia for his own monetary benefit, is intent on destroying democracy in Europe, has killed his own people with bombs, is an imperialist war monger, and the people you seem to get your views from, ie. the dirtbag pro-Russia left, are totally silent on it
It's pathetic to see, especially given that your views are dripping with white privilege and you seem quite happy to see fascism in the US continue
What are your views on the following:
Tulsi Gabbard Glenn Greenwald Matt Taibbi Bernie Sanders Katie Halper John Pilger Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Seumas Milne
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Right-wingers smearing the 'dirtbag' left as umpatriotic, anti-western Russian stooges is as old and desperate a tactic as it gets.Corbyn got that treatment from your lot all the time.
Your regular tinfoil-hattist conspiracy theorist rantings simply have no basis in reality. You just sound like an old-school, Reaganite, imperialist racist.
The Cold War is long over. Get the f**k over it.
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Posted: 17 Oct 2020 at 7:49pm |
NewtNewbie wrote:
sid waddell wrote:
NewtNewbie wrote:
sid waddell wrote:
NewtNewbie, what's your view on Putin and Russian fascism?
What sources would you recommend to learn about Russia? |
Okay, I'll humour you.
To be absolutely clear, I despise Putin and the kleptocratic oligarchs who rule the Russian Federation. It is antithetical to every principle I hold dear.
That said, Russiagate and underhand Russian interference in the UK referendum on EU membership has been thoroughly debunked.
A distinction has to be made between the Russian administration and Russia. Russophobia is not, and never will be, an acceptable form of racism.
If someone were to suggest that Jewish people controlled and influenced every election and that any democratic outcome that didn't go quite the way the accuser wanted was the result of the malign influence of Jews they'd be rightly condemned as anti-Semitic scum and shunned from polite society.
The attitude to oddball conspiracy theoristists who suggest the same of Russians should be no different. |
Who has it been debunked by?
Putin?
His kleptocratic oligarchs?
Trump? Fox News?
Why at this very moment is Trump reciting a Russian disinformation campaign?
Why are you doing so?
Your allegations of anti-Russian racism are some laugh, desperation stuff - Putin is raping Russia for his own monetary benefit, is intent on destroying democracy in Europe, has killed his own people with bombs, is an imperialist war monger, and the people you seem to get your views from, ie. the dirtbag pro-Russia left, are totally silent on it
It's pathetic to see, especially given that your views are dripping with white privilege and you seem quite happy to see fascism in the US continue
What are your views on the following:
Tulsi Gabbard Glenn Greenwald Matt Taibbi Bernie Sanders Katie Halper John Pilger Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Seumas Milne
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Right-wingers smearing the 'dirtbag' left as umpatriotic, anti-western Russian stooges is as old and desperate a tactic as it gets.Corbyn got that treatment from your lot all the time.
Your regular tinfoil-hattist conspiracy theorist rantings simply have no basis in reality. You just sound like an old-school, Reaganite, imperialist racist.
The Cold War is long over. Get the f**k over it. |
That's exactly what the dirtbag left are, they exist to run with Russian and far-right talking points and to destroy any hope of progressive change
Just as there are "centrists" who do so
As Jeremy Corbyn's most prominent supporter on this forum I know what I'm talking about
Again, you're going nuts there, flinging around baseless accusations of racism - you sound exactly like Murdoch media, funny that
I sound like a Reaganite?
Have you read what I've written about Reagan?
Oh, and you didn't address a single point I made there
Thanks for that
Again, do some reading, or some listening
Good reading, and good listening
You clearly need to
Given your interest in the US, listen to a bit of Sarah Kendzior or Peter Beinart or Michelle Alexander or Adam Serwer or Nicole Hannnah Jones or Timothy Snyder or Nancy MacLean or Isabel Wilkerson or Jared Yates Sexton
And ignore the Glenn Greenwalds and Mark Ames and Matt Taibbis and Katie Halpers and Chapo Trap Houses and Red Scares of this world, as well as the alt-right rabbit hole you've so clearly gone down
Edited by sid waddell - 17 Oct 2020 at 7:50pm
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Posted: 17 Oct 2020 at 7:54pm |
Amy reputable links to it being debunked? Didn't the UK civil service not put together a full report detailing the influence?
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Posted: 17 Oct 2020 at 8:23pm |
nvidic wrote:
Amy reputable links to it being debunked? Didn't the UK civil service not put together a full report detailing the influence? |
Amy who? Don't expect me to do your thinking for you. Anyone who keeps abreast of current affairs can easily verify what I have stated.
Edited by NewtNewbie - 17 Oct 2020 at 8:51pm
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Posted: 17 Oct 2020 at 8:30pm |
NewtNewbie wrote:
nvidic wrote:
Amy reputable links to it being debunked? Didn't the UK civil service not put together a full report detailing the influence? |
Amy who? Don't expect me to do your thinking for you. Anyone keeps abreast of current affairs can easily verify what I have stated. |
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Posted: 17 Oct 2020 at 8:50pm |
sid waddell wrote:
NewtNewbie wrote:
sid waddell wrote:
NewtNewbie wrote:
sid waddell wrote:
NewtNewbie, what's your view on Putin and Russian fascism?
What sources would you recommend to learn about Russia? |
Okay, I'll humour you.
To be absolutely clear, I despise Putin and the kleptocratic oligarchs who rule the Russian Federation. It is antithetical to every principle I hold dear.
That said, Russiagate and underhand Russian interference in the UK referendum on EU membership has been thoroughly debunked.
A distinction has to be made between the Russian administration and Russia. Russophobia is not, and never will be, an acceptable form of racism.
If someone were to suggest that Jewish people controlled and influenced every election and that any democratic outcome that didn't go quite the way the accuser wanted was the result of the malign influence of Jews they'd be rightly condemned as anti-Semitic scum and shunned from polite society.
The attitude to oddball conspiracy theoristists who suggest the same of Russians should be no different. |
Who has it been debunked by?
Putin?
His kleptocratic oligarchs?
Trump? Fox News?
Why at this very moment is Trump reciting a Russian disinformation campaign?
Why are you doing so?
Your allegations of anti-Russian racism are some laugh, desperation stuff - Putin is raping Russia for his own monetary benefit, is intent on destroying democracy in Europe, has killed his own people with bombs, is an imperialist war monger, and the people you seem to get your views from, ie. the dirtbag pro-Russia left, are totally silent on it
It's pathetic to see, especially given that your views are dripping with white privilege and you seem quite happy to see fascism in the US continue
What are your views on the following:
Tulsi Gabbard Glenn Greenwald Matt Taibbi Bernie Sanders Katie Halper John Pilger Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Seumas Milne
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Right-wingers smearing the 'dirtbag' left as umpatriotic, anti-western Russian stooges is as old and desperate a tactic as it gets.Corbyn got that treatment from your lot all the time.
Your regular tinfoil-hattist conspiracy theorist rantings simply have no basis in reality. You just sound like an old-school, Reaganite, imperialist racist.
The Cold War is long over. Get the f**k over it. |
That's exactly what the dirtbag left are, they exist to run with Russian and far-right talking points and to destroy any hope of progressive change
Just as there are "centrists" who do so
As Jeremy Corbyn's most prominent supporter on this forum I know what I'm talking about
Again, you're going nuts there, flinging around baseless accusations of racism - you sound exactly like Murdoch media, funny that
I sound like a Reaganite?
Have you read what I've written about Reagan?
Oh, and you didn't address a single point I made there
Thanks for that
Again, do some reading, or some listening
Good reading, and good listening
You clearly need to
Given your interest in the US, listen to a bit of Sarah Kendzior or Peter Beinart or Michelle Alexander or Adam Serwer or Nicole Hannnah Jones or Timothy Snyder or Nancy MacLean or Isabel Wilkerson or Jared Yates Sexton
And ignore the Glenn Greenwalds and Mark Ames and Matt Taibbis and Katie Halpers and Chapo Trap Houses and Red Scares of this world, as well as the alt-right rabbit hole you've so clearly gone down
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Okay, so you despise the 'dirtbag' left. Goes with the territory. This has already been established. You've used this construction innumerable times; some originality wouldn't go amiss.
Repeatedly calling someone like me 'nuts' really isn't a good look. Especially for an uptight, puritanical high-horser such as yourself.
And just why do you persist in writing in punctuation-light single-sentence paragraphs?
Very odd.
Edited by NewtNewbie - 17 Oct 2020 at 8:51pm
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Posted: 17 Oct 2020 at 8:57pm |
NewtNewbie wrote:
sid waddell wrote:
NewtNewbie wrote:
sid waddell wrote:
NewtNewbie wrote:
sid waddell wrote:
NewtNewbie, what's your view on Putin and Russian fascism?
What sources would you recommend to learn about Russia? |
Okay, I'll humour you.
To be absolutely clear, I despise Putin and the kleptocratic oligarchs who rule the Russian Federation. It is antithetical to every principle I hold dear.
That said, Russiagate and underhand Russian interference in the UK referendum on EU membership has been thoroughly debunked.
A distinction has to be made between the Russian administration and Russia. Russophobia is not, and never will be, an acceptable form of racism.
If someone were to suggest that Jewish people controlled and influenced every election and that any democratic outcome that didn't go quite the way the accuser wanted was the result of the malign influence of Jews they'd be rightly condemned as anti-Semitic scum and shunned from polite society.
The attitude to oddball conspiracy theoristists who suggest the same of Russians should be no different. |
Who has it been debunked by?
Putin?
His kleptocratic oligarchs?
Trump? Fox News?
Why at this very moment is Trump reciting a Russian disinformation campaign?
Why are you doing so?
Your allegations of anti-Russian racism are some laugh, desperation stuff - Putin is raping Russia for his own monetary benefit, is intent on destroying democracy in Europe, has killed his own people with bombs, is an imperialist war monger, and the people you seem to get your views from, ie. the dirtbag pro-Russia left, are totally silent on it
It's pathetic to see, especially given that your views are dripping with white privilege and you seem quite happy to see fascism in the US continue
What are your views on the following:
Tulsi Gabbard Glenn Greenwald Matt Taibbi Bernie Sanders Katie Halper John Pilger Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Seumas Milne
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Right-wingers smearing the 'dirtbag' left as umpatriotic, anti-western Russian stooges is as old and desperate a tactic as it gets.Corbyn got that treatment from your lot all the time.
Your regular tinfoil-hattist conspiracy theorist rantings simply have no basis in reality. You just sound like an old-school, Reaganite, imperialist racist.
The Cold War is long over. Get the f**k over it. |
That's exactly what the dirtbag left are, they exist to run with Russian and far-right talking points and to destroy any hope of progressive change
Just as there are "centrists" who do so
As Jeremy Corbyn's most prominent supporter on this forum I know what I'm talking about
Again, you're going nuts there, flinging around baseless accusations of racism - you sound exactly like Murdoch media, funny that
I sound like a Reaganite?
Have you read what I've written about Reagan?
Oh, and you didn't address a single point I made there
Thanks for that
Again, do some reading, or some listening
Good reading, and good listening
You clearly need to
Given your interest in the US, listen to a bit of Sarah Kendzior or Peter Beinart or Michelle Alexander or Adam Serwer or Nicole Hannnah Jones or Timothy Snyder or Nancy MacLean or Isabel Wilkerson or Jared Yates Sexton
And ignore the Glenn Greenwalds and Mark Ames and Matt Taibbis and Katie Halpers and Chapo Trap Houses and Red Scares of this world, as well as the alt-right rabbit hole you've so clearly gone down
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Okay, so you despise the 'dirtbag' left. Goes with the territory. This has already been established. You've used this construction innumerable times; some originality wouldn't go amiss.
Repeatedly calling someone like me 'nuts' really isn't a good look. Especially for an uptight, puritanical high-horser such as yourself.
And just why do you persist in writing in punctuation-light single sentence paragraphs?
Very odd. |
I call the dirtbag left exactly what they are, they deserve zero respect because they have zero positive vision for anything, the only aim they have is to destroy
Lolz, your whole tirade against me has been that I'm not uptight, puritanical and high horse enough!
You see unfortunately the problem with you - and let's just say for argument's sake that you are actually what you claim you are - is that you're the exact sort of humourless nutcase that turns people off the left
Your first impulse is to viciously abuse people
But it's obvious you're not actually a left-winger at all, I've seen trolls like you who run with dirtbag left/alt-right (they're the same thing) ultra cynical narratives a thousand times on forums and each time it becomes more and more obvious what they are - disuptors to try and divide opposition to fascism
The problem with the dirtbag left is they don't oppose fascism at all and instead willingly enable it
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Posted: 17 Oct 2020 at 8:59pm |
@NewtGingrich
If you had a vote in the US presidential election, who would you vote for?
And explain your rationale
Why are Bernie Sanders, Noam Chomsky, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Ilhan Omar all imploring people to vote for Biden?
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Posted: 17 Oct 2020 at 9:15pm |
sid waddell wrote:
NewtNewbie wrote:
sid waddell wrote:
NewtNewbie wrote:
sid waddell wrote:
NewtNewbie wrote:
sid waddell wrote:
NewtNewbie, what's your view on Putin and Russian fascism?
What sources would you recommend to learn about Russia? |
Okay, I'll humour you.
To be absolutely clear, I despise Putin and the kleptocratic oligarchs who rule the Russian Federation. It is antithetical to every principle I hold dear.
That said, Russiagate and underhand Russian interference in the UK referendum on EU membership has been thoroughly debunked.
A distinction has to be made between the Russian administration and Russia. Russophobia is not, and never will be, an acceptable form of racism.
If someone were to suggest that Jewish people controlled and influenced every election and that any democratic outcome that didn't go quite the way the accuser wanted was the result of the malign influence of Jews they'd be rightly condemned as anti-Semitic scum and shunned from polite society.
The attitude to oddball conspiracy theoristists who suggest the same of Russians should be no different. |
Who has it been debunked by?
Putin?
His kleptocratic oligarchs?
Trump? Fox News?
Why at this very moment is Trump reciting a Russian disinformation campaign?
Why are you doing so?
Your allegations of anti-Russian racism are some laugh, desperation stuff - Putin is raping Russia for his own monetary benefit, is intent on destroying democracy in Europe, has killed his own people with bombs, is an imperialist war monger, and the people you seem to get your views from, ie. the dirtbag pro-Russia left, are totally silent on it
It's pathetic to see, especially given that your views are dripping with white privilege and you seem quite happy to see fascism in the US continue
What are your views on the following:
Tulsi Gabbard Glenn Greenwald Matt Taibbi Bernie Sanders Katie Halper John Pilger Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Seumas Milne
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Right-wingers smearing the 'dirtbag' left as umpatriotic, anti-western Russian stooges is as old and desperate a tactic as it gets.Corbyn got that treatment from your lot all the time.
Your regular tinfoil-hattist conspiracy theorist rantings simply have no basis in reality. You just sound like an old-school, Reaganite, imperialist racist.
The Cold War is long over. Get the f**k over it. |
That's exactly what the dirtbag left are, they exist to run with Russian and far-right talking points and to destroy any hope of progressive change
Just as there are "centrists" who do so
As Jeremy Corbyn's most prominent supporter on this forum I know what I'm talking about
Again, you're going nuts there, flinging around baseless accusations of racism - you sound exactly like Murdoch media, funny that
I sound like a Reaganite?
Have you read what I've written about Reagan?
Oh, and you didn't address a single point I made there
Thanks for that
Again, do some reading, or some listening
Good reading, and good listening
You clearly need to
Given your interest in the US, listen to a bit of Sarah Kendzior or Peter Beinart or Michelle Alexander or Adam Serwer or Nicole Hannnah Jones or Timothy Snyder or Nancy MacLean or Isabel Wilkerson or Jared Yates Sexton
And ignore the Glenn Greenwalds and Mark Ames and Matt Taibbis and Katie Halpers and Chapo Trap Houses and Red Scares of this world, as well as the alt-right rabbit hole you've so clearly gone down
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Okay, so you despise the 'dirtbag' left. Goes with the territory. This has already been established. You've used this construction innumerable times; some originality wouldn't go amiss.
Repeatedly calling someone like me 'nuts' really isn't a good look. Especially for an uptight, puritanical high-horser such as yourself.
And just why do you persist in writing in punctuation-light single sentence paragraphs?
Very odd. |
I call the dirtbag left exactly what they are, they deserve zero respect because they have zero positive vision for anything, the only aim they have is to destroy
Lolz, your whole tirade against me has been that I'm not uptight, puritanical and high horse enough!
You see unfortunately the problem with you - and let's just say for argument's sake that you are actually what you claim you are - is that you're the exact sort of humourless nutcase that turns people off the left
Your first impulse is to viciously abuse people
But it's obvious you're not actually a left-winger at all, I've seen trolls like you who run with dirtbag left/alt-right (they're the same thing) ultra cynical narratives a thousand times on forums and each time it becomes more and more obvious what they are - disuptors to try and divide opposition to fascism
The problem with the dirtbag left is they don't oppose fascism at all and instead willingly enable it
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'you're the exact sort of humourless nutcase that turns people off the left
Your first impulse is to viciously abuse people'
f**king hell. How can anybody even try to begin to take someone like you, who constantly undermines their own arguments, seriously?
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