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Originally posted by DUBLIN DOC DUBLIN DOC wrote:

Originally posted by Roberto Baggio Roberto Baggio wrote:

A lot of the argument on this should have died down when Corcoran came out himself and admitted he was in the wrong, I would have thought.
 
 
But the whole thing is he done exactly what you see every other keeper do instinctively in a peno situation in much higher profile games also, so why now ? Why him and why not the oppo keeper carded for his infringements
He didn't, he made it far more obvious. Sure, other goalkeepers have got away with it in the past, but the fact he gave a warning to the Dutch lad should have made him extra vigilant.
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The 20 seconds of commentary  after the peno miss are very funny on reflection, King's a headcase
"Wahay Jimmy saving penos"
"Did he come off his line"
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Originally posted by t_rAndy t_rAndy wrote:

The 20 seconds of commentary  after the peno miss are very funny on reflection, King's a headcase
"Wahay Jimmy saving penos"
"Did he come off his line"
"I don't care"

Surprised this didn't get a mention on here, it was like he forgot he was doing co-commentary.
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Originally posted by Roberto Baggio Roberto Baggio wrote:

Originally posted by DUBLIN DOC DUBLIN DOC wrote:

Originally posted by Roberto Baggio Roberto Baggio wrote:

A lot of the argument on this should have died down when Corcoran came out himself and admitted he was in the wrong, I would have thought.
 
 
But the whole thing is he done exactly what you see every other keeper do instinctively in a peno situation in much higher profile games also, so why now ? Why him and why not the oppo keeper carded for his infringements
 
That's a matter for other refs. In this instance, it seems the officials called it right, sadly.
 
 
True re other refs but if they are not enforcing this rule at professional level why be so harsh at underage level with it, and i am not disputing it was the right decision although it does stick in the craw that it is us again Cry
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Originally posted by DUBLIN DOC DUBLIN DOC wrote:

Originally posted by Roberto Baggio Roberto Baggio wrote:

A lot of the argument on this should have died down when Corcoran came out himself and admitted he was in the wrong, I would have thought.
 
 
But the whole thing is he done exactly what you see every other keeper do instinctively in a peno situation in much higher profile games also, so why now ? Why him and why not the oppo keeper carded for his infringements
He didn't, he made it far more obvious. Sure, other goalkeepers have got away with it in the past, but the fact he gave a warning to the Dutch lad should have made him extra vigilant.
But I am presuming that for every peno awarded in games the ref tells the keeper that he can not come forward but yet you see even worse forward movement from them in cases without any punishment, I am not disputing the rule here or the punishment for infringement but the application or lack of in games as a whole, will be very interesting going forward to see how many refs have the balls in the World Cup to do this against household names and major countries and forward on to the leagues in the new season
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Why don't they just make it like the penalties in rugby, once the whistle goes the defending player, the keeper in this instance, can run out towards the ball as quick as he can LOL
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That would probably help the attacker, just slip it down either side.
 
I know what you mean Doc, but in this instance I feel Corcoran really drew attention to himself and gave the referee little choice given the previous warning to the Dutch lad.
It will definitely be interesting to see how it pans out in Russia alright.
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Originally posted by Roberto Baggio Roberto Baggio wrote:

Why don't they just make it like the penalties in rugby, once the whistle goes the defending player, the keeper in this instance, can run out towards the ball as quick as he can LOL

Could it be argued that the ‘keeper should be allowed to move as soon as the attacking player has started his run up? 
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He is allowed to move though,just as long as he stays on the line.
There is also the fact that the penalty spot is twelve yards from the goal line and, as with free-kicks, the goalkeeper would have to remain a minimum of ten yards away.
I guess you could put another box marking out two yards from the line that the keeper can move about in?
That might make the system more manageable.
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Originally posted by Gary McKay Gary McKay wrote:

Originally posted by DG80 DG80 wrote:

dont know if it was mentioned here but if a team goes down to 10 men in a shootout does the other team have to take one of their players off the list of penalty takers?
No.
If it goes to 11 penalties then a player takes a second one.
 
Not sure what happens if the sending off is in a shootout but if a team goes to 10 men and the other team have 11 men going into a shootout then a player must be selected to drop out from the order. 
Ive checked it out.
 
We are both right.
 
If a player is sent off BEFORE the shoot-out then a player from opposing team drops out.
 
But if a player is sent off DURING the shoot-out then a player does not drop out.
 
 
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If you think last Monday was difficult to understand and comprehend wait until VAR and RUSSIA this will be absolutely MAD as to my knowledge WC referees are the only ones to really know when and how to use and perhaps I would think maybe even they don't know.
I know for one thing commentators, supporters and indeed referees not having used VAR have very little knowledge of system.
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Gary correct 100%. Strange thing is if goalkeeper is injured during kicks from penalty mark he can be replaced by substitute goalkeeper once full quota of substitutes have not been used.  
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I was at a GAA referee course recently and the whole room was critical of decisions made at the highest level of the game. The co-ordinator of the course said "we can't control what other referee's do, all we can do is referee according to the rules of the game".
 
The unfortunate consequence of this is that most people understand the rules from the way they are consistently applied on television rather than the way they should be applied.. The Czech referee appears to have gone against the grain and acted inconsistently but he's actually done his job properly..
 
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As far consistency goes, while he may have made the right decision, the bigger question is did he feel more freedom to make the decision given that it was only an under 17's game?

Maybe a ref will prove me wrong, but I just can't see someone making the same decision in the quarter final of a World Cup. 
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Here's a test for yis (apart from LoudandClear) ;
 
1. Name 3 times (or just one) during a game when you CANNOT be offside whilst standing in an offside position.
 
2. Keeper takes a kick-out but the ball DOES NOT leave the box and is blown by the wind back into the net. Verdict ?
 
3. Keeper takes a kick-out and the ball DOES leave the box but is blown by the wind back into the net. Verdict ?
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Originally posted by Gary McKay Gary McKay wrote:

Here's a test for yis (apart from LoudandClear) ;
 
1. Name 3 times (or just one) during a game when you CANNOT be offside whilst standing in an offside position.
 
 
When receiving the ball from a throw in, a goal kick, or an opposing player (unless you're Leroy Sane Wink)
 
 
 
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Originally posted by Gary McKay Gary McKay wrote:

Here's a test for yis (apart from LoudandClear) ;
 
1. Name 3 times (or just one) during a game when you CANNOT be offside whilst standing in an offside position.
 
2. Keeper takes a kick-out but the ball DOES NOT leave the box and is blown by the wind back into the net. Verdict ?
 
3. Keeper takes a kick-out and the ball DOES leave the box but is blown by the wind back into the net. Verdict ?
Pretty sure RB covered the first one. Number 2 Corner to the opposition? Number 3 is legitimate goal I think
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