Turkey vs ROI-- 23rd March |
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deise316
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Going to be another long year of mainly drudgery by the looks of things. While you can't read too much in to a friendly result, or performance for that matter, the Turkey game was a continuation of 2017, our decent on occasion form under MON in 2016 seems like a long time ago.
Can't add a lot to posts by Mac, Moleman, O'Shea & PM, among others, who have covered the issues very well. One of the scary things is that Rice looked better as an attacking midfielder than those who were picked to play there, and that isn't even his job. It is very early to make calls on the likes of Browne & Hourihane, but they have the look of squad men rather than 1st 11 men already. Even at 19, Rice will likely end up being our main man in midfield for the next few years, it might not even turn out to be his best position in the long term, but he'll end up there as it is the area we need him most/are weakest in. One of the most frustrating things was seeing McClean moved centrally after Horgan & Doherty were introduced, I have no idea how many times this has been tried now, and it has failed every single time. It will continue to fail every single time too, as it only serves to further expose his limitations as a footballer. He is a decent left winger, but it is literally the only position he is effective in (he isn't a left wing back any more than he is a centre forward) and how MON hasn't figured that much out at this stage is both worrying & well beyond my understanding. The 3-5-2, who knows. It could work V some teams in theory, but if we continue to carry passengers centrally like we did the other night, and continue to ask McClean to play in places well beyond his capabilities, it won't really matter. The lack of keeping the ball in midfield meant Maguire & Hogan were more or less redundant, and they got so little ball in the final third that it effectively meant we were wasting a 2nd body up there, one of them (Hogan was the more effective on the night) would have done. MON made the point in the week that he doesn't see his job as a coach due to time limitations with the players, and questioned how much improving that a fella of 24/25/26 is going to make in a few days with the international squad, but nearly anyone can see we are a team crying out to be coached and have a defined style of play that doesn't involve Duffy booting it to either the opposition or one of the stands at every opportunity. That ''anyone'' doesn't include MON, Roy, Walford or Guppy though, and that looks like it's going to be a major issue until results & performances continue to prove they are collectively on the wrong track with this team. |
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Reildogg
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There were a few instances where people came relatively short for him (Browne once for sure) and he hammered a 15 yard pass at him just below the hip. I would actually ban him from passing to anyone who may be closed down at all - puts so much pressure on the receiver. While, correctly, there has been a lot of clamour for more players who like getting on the ball, we're only beginning to see the wider challenges of implementing such a style, which includes every player on the pitch - not just two or three midfielders. |
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MC Hammered
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Daryl Horgan wasn't on for long I know but his cameo contained a few moments of promise where he created danger by beating his man while showing that turn of pace he has. I'd love to see him get more game time at Preston |
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Icy Bread People
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The throw in thing annoys me so much. How do we expect to compete at any level when we can't hold onto the ball when we have a throw in. Every single time.
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The O'Shea
Jack Charlton I know everything and I’m NEVER wrong Joined: 16 Aug 2013 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 9568 |
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He's confortable on the ball at least. Whether he'd do much damage against top teams is another question, but at the very least he wouldn't continually waste possession in the way that McClean does. I'd have a similar opinion of Meyler; not a brilliant player by any means, but he is at least calm when he's in possession. Unlike a few of our other midfielders, he doesn't look terrified of receiving a pass into him. Now that doesn't mean he'll do anything special with it, but it at least gives us a platform to move the ball out of defence in a semi-constructive way. Edited by The O'Shea - 26 Mar 2018 at 1:24pm |
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We're decent enough..
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pre Madonna
Robbie Keane I am MALDING Joined: 30 Nov 2014 Location: Trumpton Status: Offline Points: 44659 |
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In fairness, how can you hold on to something and throw it?
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el2nz
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Jermaine Jenas did a piece on MOTD2 about him and Dunk, mentioned his long ball passing and I think that that 10 second clip has went to his head and made him think he's Pirlo. |
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The O'Shea
Jack Charlton I know everything and I’m NEVER wrong Joined: 16 Aug 2013 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 9568 |
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Reminds me a bit of Steven Gerrard. He'll occasionally ping a beauty up to a forward, which makes people forget about the 10 failed attempts that preceded it. |
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We're decent enough..
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Maccatacca
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Our players don't even show for throw ins. It takes us ages to take throws, partially because every second wasted is a second that we don't need to be in possession on the pitch, and also because the opposition can't score while we're physically holding the ball. When the ref tells us to hurry up, our thrower will just hurl it up the line aimlessly. We are a joke. |
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DangerHere
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My concern is that the instructions from the manager are indeed to just close your eyes and thump it. In Andy Townsend's book after World Cup 94 he said he was talking to a new player (I think McAteer) and Townsend said that Jack's method is if there is no clear pass to make then just lump it forward. Seems like this still rings true a lot of the time
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Mr. Snrub
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Those throw ins are beyond embarrassing. Even Coleman looked poor the other night
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"Here's Robbie Keane...... yeeeessss! That is no more than Ireland deserve!"
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pre Madonna
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Once Duffy doesn't start having fifty shots a game!
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Roberto Baggio
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Its the sign of a bad team who can only play one way when, no matter when or where they get a throw-in the player closest to the ball has to set it down and wait for the full back to come up and launch a long 50-50 throw up a line to be flicked on to nobody.
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Bob Hoskins
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France away should lose that, USA at home, we should win based on their performances for WC qualifying, draw or lose that though...and finally we head into the Derby with Norn Iron which has a 0-0 draw written all over it.
From the amount of grumblings among fans prior to this game, and more if it after. By the time the Nations League games come around their could be a very negative atmosphere. If those games go badly it will be even worse. I couldn't see O'Neill carrying on if that happens. So he must know that these friendlies are very important.
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Romario 2016: And the ticket mafia gets caught! Well, four years ago I had already told the government.
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coyne
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Oh he will, trust me. There's more chance of me wearing a NUFC top than him willingly resigning. Which makes the fact the FAI had the opportunity to get rid of him for nothing when his previous contract expired all the more frustrating.
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The Huntacha
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Coleman has a weak throw in which makes the launch up the line even more useless because it doesnt go particularly far.
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Jimmy Bullard - "Favorite band? Elastic."
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Het-field
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The choice is either the management style changes, or the management changes. It’s that simple. I feel we are sleepwalking into another Trapattoni situation where the results will be the only think that changes. It can’t be too hard for a quality international team to prepare to play against Ireland, as you can soundly work on the premise that very little football is going to be played, and the midfield will be there for a limited purpose, while the defence will be expected to take on the heavy lifting from the back, with the forwards expected to reach and hold up the ball and allow the midfield into play. Teams can be comfortable in the knowledge that a goal should be enough to see us off, and that playing th ball along the floor like Denmark did. Even teams like Georgia have sussed us out, and know that you can play football without fear of being challenged. What we currently have is almost a reversal of Jack Charlton’s pressing mechanism which worked on the basis that you applied the pressure high, and force the other team into mistakes, while hoping for a drop off, a route one, or a cross to do the rest. At the moment we seem to be relying either on route one, or mistakes, while letting the opposition come deep, and relying on the tough tackle to do the rest. But now that teams know what we are like, they will avoid playing to our strengths. It only took the Danes a weekend to suss us out, and it appears we are still playing the same system.
Edited by Het-field - 26 Mar 2018 at 5:32pm |
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Mr. Snrub
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Spot on We are so easy to set up against. It's prehistoric stuff......... |
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"Here's Robbie Keane...... yeeeessss! That is no more than Ireland deserve!"
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