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Butland and Pickford should both be ahead of Hart.

He's finished
 
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Yeah I don't think Shilton is showing any great Stoke bias by proclaiming Butland the better goalkeeper. The only issue is that injuries have hampered his development. Hart has been poor for a while now - had a terrible Euros, bad season at Torino and now part of a very poor West Ham side.
He'll be first choice again for the World Cup but he should probably only be making the squad as third choice.
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Still baffles me that West Ham plumped for Hart over Randolph
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At least Randolph got out to Boro. If Randolph was the no 1 at West Ham there still wouldn't be much hope for them as a team and would do much for the confidence.
Wouldn't think that England supporters would be too happy if their no 1 keeper had just been relegated coming into a World Cup.
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Originally posted by Zinedine Kilbane 110 Zinedine Kilbane 110 wrote:


Would this be roughly their best XI?  I'm sure you could argue over 3/4 players but the core would be 
Walker / Stones / Cahill / Sterling / Alli / Kane / Rashford

B Foster
Walker, Stones, Cahill, Rose
Winks , Sterling , Alli, Lallana
Rashford, Kane

Where would that team finish in the Prem.....  I would think outside the top 4 and thats the issue.





Ben Foster Pickford and Butland are miles ahead of the pack and you opt for him!
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They’ve a decent first 11 but lack depth.
On the goalkeeper issue, and I think you’ve to bring 3 to a tournament, so I go Butland, Pickford & Forster.
Hart is finished.
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Originally posted by Zinedine Kilbane 110 Zinedine Kilbane 110 wrote:


Would this be roughly their best XI?  I'm sure you could argue over 3/4 players but the core would be 
Walker / Stones / Cahill / Sterling / Alli / Kane / Rashford

B Foster
Walker, Stones, Cahill, Rose
Winks , Sterling , Alli, Lallana
Rashford, Kane

Where would that team finish in the Prem.....  I would think outside the top 4 and thats the issue.





Ben Foster Pickford and Butland are miles ahead of the pack and you opt for him!

Okay Bad choice Embarrassed would Tom Heaton not be an option.

None of them would make a top 6 club so I just see them all as being lower premiership team standard.

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Tough job that, bar a few the midfield options aren't great
Bit of craic though so I went with
 
Butland
Foster
Pickford
 
Rose
Walker
Stones
Bertrand
Cahill
Smalling
Gomez
Dier
 
Drinkwater
Sterling
Henderson
Winks
Lingard
Alli
Lallana
Delph
 
Rashford
Vardy
Sturridge
Kane
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They actually have the guts of a decent team. It's central midfield that is their Achilles' heel though - bar Alli they look really weak there compared to most other positions.
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They really need a kind draw or they aint getting out of the group.
 
 
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Originally posted by Devrozex Devrozex wrote:

They actually have the guts of a decent team. It's central midfield that is their Achilles' heel though - bar Alli they look really weak there compared to most other positions.
Very true. When you see the list of players it really stands out
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Originally posted by Gary McKay Gary McKay wrote:

They really need a kind draw or they aint getting out of the group.
 
 
They'd be extremely unlucky to not get at least one sh*t sh*t team and two teams that are capable of finishing ahead of them. QF is the limit I feel they can achieve. I predict a second round elimination for them. I'd fancy ourselves to get out of a World Cup group.
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Originally posted by lassassinblanc lassassinblanc wrote:

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/18804/11150477/choose-your-england-world-cup-squad-for-russia-2018

Pick your England Squad

Bar Kane they have a shocking panel to choose from

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Originally posted by Green Devil Green Devil wrote:

Originally posted by lassassinblanc lassassinblanc wrote:

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/18804/11150477/choose-your-england-world-cup-squad-for-russia-2018

Pick your England Squad

Bar Kane they have a shocking panel to choose from


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It's my opinion. I'll agree Alli, Walker are decent players but compare that list of players to the likes of Germany, Brazil, Spain, France,Argentina it's not great.
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If we had any one of the majority of that English squad we’d be raving about them.
People saying we’d definitely get out of the group had we got Denmark’s group, and England have a shocking squad is a bit deluded IMO
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Ffs Lass

They qualify for most major tournaments with little fuss. We are 1 out of 3 at best.

We do nothing but big up our achievements even if we win one match. After Austria away last year we completely got ahead of ourselves and yet we bitch and moan if the English media display any of the same confidence/arrogance.

Total hypocrisy on our part.

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Originally posted by irishmufc irishmufc wrote:

Ffs Lass

They qualify for most major tournaments with little fuss. We are 1 out of 3 at best.

We do nothing but big up our achievements even if we win one match. After Austria away last year we completely got ahead of ourselves and yet we bitch and moan if the English media display any of the same confidence/arrogance.

Total hypocrisy on our part.

Oh shut up you tart
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Originally posted by Gary McKay Gary McKay wrote:

Originally posted by irishmufc irishmufc wrote:

Ffs Lass

They qualify for most major tournaments with little fuss. We are 1 out of 3 at best.

We do nothing but big up our achievements even if we win one match. After Austria away last year we completely got ahead of ourselves and yet we bitch and moan if the English media display any of the same confidence/arrogance.

Total hypocrisy on our part.

Oh shut up you tart


Didn't you live in England at some stage Mr Bitter?

And by the way, is there any part of my post that isn't true?



Edited by irishmufc - 02 Dec 2017 at 12:14am
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