Georgia v Ireland - 2 September |
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Banjaxed
Liam Brady Joined: 21 Feb 2014 Status: Offline Points: 2965 |
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Are you for real? Wes is far from perfect, but we have not one other player in the squad in the mould of Wes.
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Strazdas
Jack Charlton Joined: 17 Nov 2014 Status: Offline Points: 5483 |
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That part was bonkers alright. Within five minutes or so of scoring yesterday, we were deep in our own half and defending. Part of the problem was that we were playing absolutely zero football and letting Georgia have all the possession and territory - every time we got the ball, we just hoofed it down the pitch and let Georgia get possession again.
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OohAah...
Ray Houghton Joined: 09 Apr 2011 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 3430 |
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I am defo not agreeing with O'Neill on this btw, i agree with you. As i said Wes could've dominated possession, arter did not |
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Davey Langan Fantasy Football Champion 17/18 Joined: 23 Jul 2015 Location: Dublin Status: Offline Points: 816 |
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Well you learn something new every day....wasn't aware of that. The madness is on UEFA/FIFA's part then |
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OnTheOneRoad
Ray Houghton Joined: 06 Nov 2014 Location: Dublin Status: Offline Points: 4190 |
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Just back from the longest journey home of my life from Tbilisi.....
I dont know if you point the finger more at O'Neill or the players for that absolute f**king horror show, but i'm going to say both. Absolutely horrendous. Other than a couple of them (obviously youre never going to get anything less than 100 percent from McClean) they looked like they didnt want to be there. Half of them werent even arsed coming over applauding the fans after the game. Deep into stoppage time there was Ward taking his sweet time over a throw-in and nobody making themselves available for him. The possession and passing statistics are absolutely scandalous. If we got 11 lads up from the Phoenix Park, stood off them until they got to the edge of the box every single time, they'd probably get something off us too. Georgia are a poor f**king team. If we got at them, they'd have made mistakes. If we give them the freedom of the pitch, they'll look like world beaters. Any one of us would look like a world beater going on a 60 yard dribbling and passing move if we were completely unopposed too. We played absolutely dire hoofball for two reasons. First, it appears instinctive from our defenders to just get rid rather than play it out. Secondly, none of our midfielders want the ball whatsoever. When Randolph took a kickout or got the ball at all it was an absolutely pathetic sight. Everyone in the defence and midfield trudging up the pitch, literally hiding from him hoping they wouldn't be picked to receive the ball. The end result is it's punted up to an isolated Walters or Long and they could do nothing with it. Too many of these players are skating by based on the fact that they might have turned in a great performance a year or two ago. I was amazed by our lack of urgency for so much of that match last night. O'Neill has been loyal to the players who served him well in the last campaign and at the Euros and that has bred complacency. It seems the only way you get taken out of the Ireland team is if you are over 35 and in terminal decline. We're over a year on from the Euros where we had the oldest team, and the only new first team player is Harry Arter. The changes were absolute madness designed to abandon all structure. We took off two midfielders and replaced them with a winger and a target man, so at the end we had Brady, Walters, McClean, Long, McGeady and Murphy the only players on the pitch who werent defenders or Randolph. The W-M formation was abandoned around the 50s but it came alive and well for a long time last night, Georgia countered it by actually having a midfield. Walters on the pitch, much as he's been so good for us over the years, was the equivalent of playing with ten men. He was clearly unfit. Keane and O'Neill made noises over the week to the tune of "he's a warrior, so if he declares himself fit we'll be delighted". He may have declared himself fit but he evidently wasnt. I can't see us getting anywhere near the win we now urgently need from Serbia.
Edited by OnTheOneRoad - 03 Sep 2017 at 3:26pm |
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Strazdas
Jack Charlton Joined: 17 Nov 2014 Status: Offline Points: 5483 |
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A lot of good points here. Having only 32% possession against a team like Georgia was shocking - you would expect to see a stat like against Germany, but not against a team ranked many places below you and who are struggling in the group. Agree with you about the substitutions. It was a bizarre sight to see Long, McGeady, Murphy, McClean, Walters and Brady on all at the same time at the end.....it's almost a wonder we didn't concede. The only way is up though. That was so atrocious that you would think the only thing possible is a big improvement.
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Stickittotheman
Liam Brady Joined: 15 Sep 2015 Status: Offline Points: 2290 |
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What is also particularly galling is I watched Scotland on friday night against a similar team to Georgia. They were superb. Calm and composed on the ball- hard to believe it was the same team that started the campaign. Goes to show with the right instructions it can be done. I mean there front 6 was Brown, Armstrong, McArthur, Forrest, Phillips and Griffiths. Surely to god Arter, Meyler, Hoolahan, McClean, Brady and Walters/Long is as good.
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Walters coming back from an offside position but Shane Long was definitely onside- Shane Lonnggggggg.... has done it!!!!
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nvidic
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Two sided to every story. That was me. There was sizable boos from the crowd, not just me. I call nobody a **** but yeah in the heat of the moment I threw a few fingers. What can I say, we were awful, I paid a huge financial and personal amount on the line to get there, missing out on a house I wanted to buy to go, missing out on am old family member home from America to go. I expected them to at least try. Frustration boiled over and I shouldn't have reacted that way. So be it. I'd three people in my face within seconds telling me to f**k off home, nothing else, no attempt at reasoning, no attempt to just tell me to cop on, nothing, pure vitriol was all I apologised and asked what your friend wanted me to do after apologising and all he did was keep telling me to f**k off. Do you think that was the best way to handle it from you end from you and the two others? Have you ever done something in the heat of the moment and regret it? Congrats if you haven't but you'd be the only person in the world. In all of this someone pushed a disabled fan onto the ground, no attempt to pick him up or help him. No mention of that from you. What do you think you achieved with all this? What would knocking me out do? Edit - just to add, I never once said about the money, the lads did when they came in after our disabled mate was pushed the the ground. I was just repeatedly told to f**k off, to get the f**k out and general other threats from yourself and two others. No dialogue and no 'objections' other than being roared at to f**k off etc. You were all right in my face with all this. No need for it. Edited by nvidic - 03 Sep 2017 at 9:14pm |
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doherty
Jack Charlton Teenage Kicks, so hard to beat Joined: 30 Mar 2015 Status: Offline Points: 7707 |
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Why were you apologising. You should have told those other guys to fcuk off. No offense but you must be mad to mias out on a house to go to georgia. You could have just watched it on tv.
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Stickittotheman
Liam Brady Joined: 15 Sep 2015 Status: Offline Points: 2290 |
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To right pure dedication nvidic and you had every right to voice your displeasure. It was a pathetic performance. Should have told the others to get to f**k.
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Walters coming back from an offside position but Shane Long was definitely onside- Shane Lonnggggggg.... has done it!!!!
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nvidic
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I wasn't to know I was missing out when I went, will find a better one, so be it. I do apologise for throwing the fingers but not for booing. I didn't deserve the aggression that came towards. Me, why I got that but the players didn't I don't know. Why someone felt it okay to threaten me repeatedly I don't know. Why someone thought it only to push over a disabled fan and not help them up to have a cut at me know I don't know. Hopefully YGIG can clear that all up. |
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Cathalthesmart
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you were perfectly in you're right to do what you did, it's not in my nature to voice my opinion outloud like that but I wouldn't have been angry if the people either side of me did it.
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Hi Lads
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doherty
Jack Charlton Teenage Kicks, so hard to beat Joined: 30 Mar 2015 Status: Offline Points: 7707 |
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Personally i could not see myself ever booing an irish player but i could totally understand if you travelled all that way and seen what i seen on tv. It was beyond belief how bad we were. I was never more disappointed in an irish team that yesterday. I wouldnt be apologising to anyone.
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Cathalthesmart
Davey Langan Joined: 24 Aug 2016 Location: Cork Status: Offline Points: 855 |
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One positive for tuesday also is I've never seen an Irish crowd so vocal in there opinion (negative opinion anyway) of the team's performance at FT, hopefully that is an extra boot in the ass that is needed if dropping 2 point wasn't.
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Hi Lads
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nvidic
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That was a lot of my thinking. The Roy Keane quote of 2012 came into my head too, we shouldn't be happy to go away and have a sing song and put up with mediocrity. We deserved better than we got last night. |
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Strazdas
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I'd say the management and team are under no illusions the fans were seriously pis*ed off with that result and especially performance, they read social media and the press like the rest of us. Hopefully this serves as a boot up the backside for them and they show a radically different attitude against Serbia. Enough of the caution and defending deep in your own half.
Edited by Strazdas - 03 Sep 2017 at 6:55pm |
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planning
Ray Houghton Football version of Comical Ali. Joined: 17 Mar 2012 Status: Offline Points: 3836 |
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I've heard much worse at Lansdowne and Croke Park. The football team is the only Irish team in history to be booed off at Croke Park. Sometimes the team would be booed off at half time, let alone full time. Anyone who did boo in Georgia were well within their rights too, most had paid at least 4-500 quid to get there and be served up that sht from allegedly "the best manager we've had since Charlton". It was just as bad in Georgia the last time, it wasn't much better against them at home, so the performance we got this time is what was expected. The difference was the results. If we nicked another injury time goal to bail us out again, they would have been cheered off and praised for their never say die attitude, as they have been against Georgia for the past 3 years. |
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VAR: Cutting the crap out of football.
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Drumcondra 69er
Jack Charlton Joined: 07 Oct 2009 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 7123 |
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Waiting for the final leg of the journey home in Luton. That was some distance to travel to witness that insipid pile of sh1t. The management and players should be ashamed of themselves after that worst performance since Staunton's reign by a long way considering the opposition. Noticed they didn't even come down to applaud the fans after as well, assume they know they'd have got some stick. Need a big reaction Tuesday but I fear our goose is cooked. May well miss out as worst second place team if we were finish second. Shocking to me here after where we were sat post Vienna but in reality we've been poor for most of the group.
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