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Didn't know Kevin Doyle's mam was on the forum. Hello mrs Doyle.
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Originally posted by TonyNotJack TonyNotJack wrote:

Didn't know Kevin Doyle's mam was on the forum. Hello mrs Doyle.


Anthony Stokes parents are obviously here too.
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I actually think MON believes Murphy is his main striker (and he isn't even in the poll............) and Long is his first choice sub. 

Injuries have prevented us from finding out if that theory is right, but looking at all those crosses going in from Hayes, Horgan & Brady last night, Long is an excellent header of the ball who tries to time jumps, take a step away from the CB to make a bit of space & place headers where the keeper cant get to it, but everything has to be perfect for that to happen, the cross, the run, the timing of the jump etc. 

Murphy will just go up there anyway, directly take on the CB, won't really give a damn what the defender is doing and even if he doesn't win the ball, the defender probably won't either. It won't look anything near as pretty, but it can be as effective. 

I said in the match thread last night that I thought the players who had their reputations enhanced the most last night (and throw in the Wales game as well) were Hoolahan & Murphy. For Long's biggest strength (his pace) to be utilised, you need either something of an accurate or lucky long ball, or a defence splitting pass at the right time. Whatever about the first option, the 2nd one is seemingly only something Hoolahan is capable of doing on a regular basis. 

He also seems to link up well with Long, as in the 2 seem to have a good understanding, Wes where Long will run to & the type of run he makes, Long for anticipation as to where Wes will put the ball.  Long doesn't look as effective for us without Hoolahan. 

Murphy is a whole other option, completely different player and not much movement, nearly none at all in comparison to Long. But lump enough crosses or long high balls at him & one or 2 will stick, and closer to goal, he will simply bully defenders rather than try anything too clever. But you don't need Hoolahan for Murphy to be effective, you only need a few decent crosses or long balls, we have been doing that forever as a team, and I think this factor will come in to MONs thinking in future games, provided Murphy is fit for them. 
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Shane Long by a country mile.

On a side note, Jon Walters shouldn't be used on the wing anymore. He hasn't the guile nor the legs to do so.
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Honestly should be Long > Murphy > Walters > Sheridan  in that order
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Originally posted by deise316 deise316 wrote:

I actually think MON believes Murphy is his main striker (and he isn't even in the poll............) and Long is his first choice sub. 

Injuries have prevented us from finding out if that theory is right, but looking at all those crosses going in from Hayes, Horgan & Brady last night, Long is an excellent header of the ball who tries to time jumps, take a step away from the CB to make a bit of space & place headers where the keeper cant get to it, but everything has to be perfect for that to happen, the cross, the run, the timing of the jump etc. 

Murphy will just go up there anyway, directly take on the CB, won't really give a damn what the defender is doing and even if he doesn't win the ball, the defender probably won't either. It won't look anything near as pretty, but it can be as effective. 

I said in the match thread last night that I thought the players who had their reputations enhanced the most last night (and throw in the Wales game as well) were Hoolahan & Murphy. For Long's biggest strength (his pace) to be utilised, you need either something of an accurate or lucky long ball, or a defence splitting pass at the right time. Whatever about the first option, the 2nd one is seemingly only something Hoolahan is capable of doing on a regular basis. 

He also seems to link up well with Long, as in the 2 seem to have a good understanding, Wes where Long will run to & the type of run he makes, Long for anticipation as to where Wes will put the ball.  Long doesn't look as effective for us without Hoolahan. 

Murphy is a whole other option, completely different player and not much movement, nearly none at all in comparison to Long. But lump enough crosses or long high balls at him & one or 2 will stick, and closer to goal, he will simply bully defenders rather than try anything too clever. But you don't need Hoolahan for Murphy to be effective, you only need a few decent crosses or long balls, we have been doing that forever as a team, and I think this factor will come in to MONs thinking in future games, provided Murphy is fit for them. 






I agree that Murphy has become his first choice  and it is perfectly understandable. He doesn't have Walters work rate or Long's mobility but his positioning in the box for crosses is far and away the best we have and is probably the best finisher we have too, hardly a ringing endorsement! When you watch him play he is always either getting his head on a cross or very close,compare that with the last fifteen minutes on Friday.
 He is also the best target man of the three because he doesn't move, you don't have to look up to know where Murphy is! He must be given huge credit on how he is worked at his game over the past year, I didn't want him near the squad 12 months back.
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How is Sheridan even getting a mention? Grand lad, honest as fook but only difference between him and Sammon is we can't pun Sheridan as well as Sammon.
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Originally posted by FREEWHEELER FREEWHEELER wrote:

How is Sheridan even getting a mention? Grand lad, honest as fook but only difference between him and Sammon is we can't pun Sheridan as well as Sammon.
Because after Long,Murphy and Walters are options are all grand honest lads who aren't very good!
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Originally posted by deise316 deise316 wrote:

I actually think MON believes Murphy is his main striker (and he isn't even in the poll............) and Long is his first choice sub. 

Injuries have prevented us from finding out if that theory is right, but looking at all those crosses going in from Hayes, Horgan & Brady last night, Long is an excellent header of the ball who tries to time jumps, take a step away from the CB to make a bit of space & place headers where the keeper cant get to it, but everything has to be perfect for that to happen, the cross, the run, the timing of the jump etc. 

Murphy will just go up there anyway, directly take on the CB, won't really give a damn what the defender is doing and even if he doesn't win the ball, the defender probably won't either. It won't look anything near as pretty, but it can be as effective. 

I said in the match thread last night that I thought the players who had their reputations enhanced the most last night (and throw in the Wales game as well) were Hoolahan & Murphy. For Long's biggest strength (his pace) to be utilised, you need either something of an accurate or lucky long ball, or a defence splitting pass at the right time. Whatever about the first option, the 2nd one is seemingly only something Hoolahan is capable of doing on a regular basis. 

He also seems to link up well with Long, as in the 2 seem to have a good understanding, Wes where Long will run to & the type of run he makes, Long for anticipation as to where Wes will put the ball.  Long doesn't look as effective for us without Hoolahan. 

Murphy is a whole other option, completely different player and not much movement, nearly none at all in comparison to Long. But lump enough crosses or long high balls at him & one or 2 will stick, and closer to goal, he will simply bully defenders rather than try anything too clever. But you don't need Hoolahan for Murphy to be effective, you only need a few decent crosses or long balls, we have been doing that forever as a team, and I think this factor will come in to MONs thinking in future games, provided Murphy is fit for them. 






 
 
 
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Did it really take Tuesday night to prove to some people that Kevin Doyle is done?
 
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Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Originally posted by FREEWHEELER FREEWHEELER wrote:

How is Sheridan even getting a mention? Grand lad, honest as fook but only difference between him and Sammon is we can't pun Sheridan as well as Sammon.
Because after Long,Murphy and Walters are options are all grand honest lads who aren't very good!
 
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We only have 

Long (31 in Jan 2018)
Walters (34 in Sept 2017)
Murphy (35 in March 2018)

in that order.

We are fine for this WC campaign but in 2 years time we will have a massive gap up front.

The question should be who is likely going to fill that gap.

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I think Long is definitely a better player but I actually prefer to see Murphy starting and Long coming off the bench, Long never seems to play aswell starting for us as he does coming off the bench, and can destroy tired defenders with his pace coming on around the 60 minute mark
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Its a bit of a conundrum because Murphy doesn't exactly bang the goals in for us, is it 1 goal in 20+ starts?
But he is effective enough in some games in the game plan that we play
 
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I would like to see Murphy with long to come on. however if Walters has to play every game for some reason, I would rather he started up front as brings nothing playing out wide.
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I said it in another thread but I think Robbie Brady could solve our short to medium term problem as a striker. Not the biggest fella in the world but neither was Robbie Keane.
 
We need to forget about these long balls forward to a big man and half the time I think having a big man up front makes it an easy decision for a defender to lump it long whereas with a smaller guy, we may need to take a more sensible approach and keep it on the deck.
 
Also means we can accommodate Ward, McClean and Brady v Austria.


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Originally posted by Lenny82 Lenny82 wrote:

I said it in another thread but I think Robbie Brady could solve our short to medium term problem as a striker. Not the biggest fella in the world but neither was Robbie Keane.
 
We need to forget about these long balls forward to a big man and half the time I think having a big man up front makes it an easy decision for a defender to lump it long whereas with a smaller guy, we may need to take a more sensible approach and keep it on the deck.
 
Also means we can accommodate Ward, McClean and Brady v Austria.

Jaysis. That is a fairly mental suggestion. 
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Originally posted by MC Hammered MC Hammered wrote:

Originally posted by Lenny82 Lenny82 wrote:


I said it in another thread but I think Robbie Brady could solve our short to medium term problem as a striker. Not the biggest fella in the world but neither was Robbie Keane.
 
We need to forget about these long balls forward to a big man and half the time I think having a big man up front makes it an easy decision for a defender to lump it long whereas with a smaller guy, we may need to take a more sensible approach and keep it on the deck.
 
Also means we can accommodate Ward, McClean and Brady v Austria.



Jaysis. That is a fairly mental suggestion. 
not sure it is. Has played as 10 for Norwich. Finds good space and an excellent finisher. Never in a MON team though. Same way seanie maguire has zero chance of playing in a central position.
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