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MC Hammered
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Woah Woah woah. There's a big difference playing as a number 10 as the most advanced midfielder of a central 3 and playing as a striker. I can see Robbie playing in a central role as Wes does and as he himself has done for us previously. I do not see him as a central striker unless we are going down the false 9 route (which we absolutely will not be doing any time soon) |
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Steve Amsterdam
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My exact sentiments. Use the speed of Long while he still has it, and use the size of Walters.
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Stoked Up
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Given our propensity for mostly long ball hoofs, why not? Has McClean been tried as the main striker yet? Given the age of our current batch and with no likely candidates coming through playing at higher levels, we will be back to the good old days of make shift strikers. It's not so long that Brian Kerr played centre back Gary Doherty as a makeshift striker, although he had some experience of the role at club level. ETA: When Walters plays as a winger he does an enormous amount of defensive duties. I don't think we'd get the same mileage out of him as the main striker.
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pre Madonna
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And, according to Norwich fans anyway, playing him in that position was the most mental of all Alex Neil's mad decisions and didn't work! Most of them, like me, believe Brady to be a very good winger and, at a push, a decent wing-back, he isn't a central player at all. I think we could try Westwood there, he plays there in training, is very strong and has a powerful shot.
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BlackKat
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He's relatively young, tall, and excellent at holding up the ball. Alongside Long I think he'd be a great fit. |
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coyne
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He actually fits the MON criteria of the tall striker / good in the air hold the ball up that's why. Hence why the likes of Murphy, Walters and Long are preferred, even Doyle fits the criteria hence why he got the nod - Seanie Maguire will never be considered as #1 because of that. And neither will any of the more crazy suggestions in the thread. But Sheridan is a fine shout.
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pre Madonna
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They are preferred as they are our best three options!
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valo88
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Cant believe the amount of people voting for Long, great player, great work man has pace to him.. hassles players all day long but couldnt score in a brothel with a fist full of 50s... Much better off the bench as an impact sub.
Nearly all his goals have come from off the bench for us, at least all his big goals in qualifiers have. When hes started and played 90 he hasnt scored. Walters for me, give him half a chance and he'll put it away.. Give long the same and he'd fluff it 2/3 times. |
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MC Hammered
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Have any of the resident geeks on here got the stats for Longs goals for Ireland off the bench vs when he starts?
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pre Madonna
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He has scored 9 goals from 36 starts and 8 goals from 37 off the bench. Of his five competitive goals, 4 have been scored when he came off the bench. 2 pens,I think(Slovakia and Norway?) both when on from the start and both in friendly games.
His competitive goals are: Russia (H) 2010 Poland (H) 2015 Gibraltar (A) 2015 Germany (H) 2015 Moldova (A) 2016
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Terzino
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Depends on the tactics.
If we play a lone striker then Long, especially if we are set up to defend and counter. However if we want to play a more effective longball game then we'll need a partnership up front. That means Daryl Murphy as the target man, and Long as the quick man. |
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MC Hammered
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Interesting. Cheers for that.
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MC Hammered
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We get absolutely bossed in midfield when we go 4-4-2
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I just added his penalties, I can't be arsed working out how many of his 36 starts were in competitive games!
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pre Madonna
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We got bossed in midfield when we play 4-5-1 too! I think there is an argument to be made for Walters and Long up top with the former dropping in to midfield when the opposition have the ball. Let's be honest, if we are starting Hendrick it is essentially 2 in the middle.
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Terzino
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The midfield is a problem generally for us, but at least with a 4-4-2 we can play a more traditional longball game.
There are some remedies to consider. When we don't have the ball Long could drop back into midfield to make a 5. Alternatively, the answer could be to play with 3 in the middle and use only one out-and-out winger. Or we could try and turn McClean into a box-to-box centre-midfielder. I know he's a winger, but he has so much energy and likes a tackle that it would be great if he could be converted to play in there. And I'm not sure about Walters and Long as the combo. This has been the partnership most used so far, Walters on the right but pushes forward and tries to win headers, but I'm not sure it has worked. Walters is not great as a targetman, and neither of them seem to be on eachothers wavelength. Murphy has taken a long time to get going for Ireland, but I think he is a better option as a targetman for Long to work off of. |
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shakeyshamrock
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said it before, but I think a 3-5-2/5-3-2 is the answer with the players we have - we can set that up as a defensive one or a more attacking one.. either way it protects us in midfield and still gives us 2 up front. defensive: GK O'Shea Duffy Clark Coleman Ward McCarthy Whelan Hendrick Walters Murphy (very) attacking: GK Coleman Clark Ward McGeady McClean McCarthy Arter Hoolohan Long Murphy |
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djhegzy
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We dont have coleman tho.... and brady? Balanced: GK Clark Duffy Keough Christie Brady McCarthy Arter Hoolohan Long Murphy
probably as good a team we could field in that formation, nowhere for mcClean tho |
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