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SuperDave84
Robbie Keane ooh Thomas, how could you do this to me! Joined: 26 Aug 2011 Location: Far Fungannon Status: Offline Points: 21384 |
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Yeah, it's a bit of a break. Mexico are home to Honduras on the 8th and the USA on the 11th, so they'll not be risking their starters or doing much more than having a few days in NYC either.
The biggest problem is Drumpf's forces stopping the Mexicans getting into the US. |
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greenforever
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Just as well Roy didn't bother going to Iraq for the playoff, that stamp in his passport might stop him getting into the states
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rolo
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Just seeing this now.
Disappointing. Money grabbing. We just about have a seeded position at the moment, and its a very fine margin. Self-inflicted wound this. If anyone bemoans the draw in October when we play Italy or Spain or Holland in the playoffs, know this: we've a money-grabbing organisation in charge who havent a clue about rankings or anything like that, this is their f**king job, and they're clueless. The money they'd make from qualifying far outweighs this and the iceland money. So annoyed at this. |
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rolo
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It was in Iran, and passports are only valid for 10 years.
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Denis Irwin
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Fixed. We all know it's just the one person |
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SuperDave84
Robbie Keane ooh Thomas, how could you do this to me! Joined: 26 Aug 2011 Location: Far Fungannon Status: Offline Points: 21384 |
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Incidentally, the USA haven't played Mexico in a World Cup qualifier anywhere south of Columbus, Ohio since 1980. The North isn't exactly renowned for its Mexican population.
They could play every game in Dallas or LA, sell 80,000 tickets and lose in front of a partisan crowd, or play in Columbus, sell 20,000 tickets and win (which they did in most games, aside from the most recent), and qualify either way, but they still take a financial hit to help on field success. There's a lesson in that somewhere. |
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greenforever
Jack Charlton Joined: 07 Apr 2008 Status: Offline Points: 6342 |
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Do you honestly believe that MON and Roy have no input into weather they play extra friendlies Do you really believe they should have no warm up games before Austria. To me I am far more concerned about winning against Austria than anything else, and you either have confidence in your management or don't. Just playing friendlies (win or lose) will reduce our ranking points - should we stop playing friendlies ? |
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SuperDave84
Robbie Keane ooh Thomas, how could you do this to me! Joined: 26 Aug 2011 Location: Far Fungannon Status: Offline Points: 21384 |
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I'm not sure there's a need for two friendlies after a long season. A squad of 25 can play a full eleven on eleven ninety minute match in training if you want more "match practice", and more's the point they can do it in a sunnier climate if you want too, even without heading to NYC. Why fly eight hours to New York and harm ranking points? You could quite easily fly to the Algarve, Italy or anywhere sunny in Europe in two or three hours, and play a training game there, even against another European side. The 0-0 training match against Northern Ireland in the Aviva didn't count towards ranking points and there's no reason why we need to play another ranking match in June.
That said, I have no great issues with it aside from the potential rankings issues; I certainly don't feel as strongly about it as Rolo does. It is entirely hypothetical that it will affect our ranking in a meaningful way (i.e. that it will be the difference between being a first and second seed in the playoffs if it comes to it, or the difference between being seeded or not seeded in Russia), but I still think there were ways of achieving the same aims as this match is designed to achieve, without affecting ranking points. FIFA rankings count for three things only: World Cup qualification draws, World Cup playoff draw and World Cup finals draws. It is quite hypothetical that it will affect either of the latter two and it very unlikely to affect the first in any great way, given that the next draw is between two and three years away. However, the only reason to have this match, aside from the holiday, and aside from match practice, both of which can clearly be achieved in other ways, is money, but even that might not be that lucrative. It could be, of course, that all the FAI are getting out of this is the cost of flights to NYC and accommodation to go with for all travelling, which is still worth something (compared to the cost of a warm weather break in Europe for the squad, which would be pricey, when you count the cost of charter flights and the accommodation requirements for a squad of 25 plus coaches and officials for three nights - room each is, say, 40 rooms for 3 nights at €250 per night per room minimum for the standard of hotel required = €30,000, and chartering a plane return is not cheap, plus the other costs - I can't imagine change from €100,000 for organising a trip away like this). That's also entirely hypothetical of course, and there are bound to be commercial confidentiality requirements, so we'll never know what the terms of the game are. The break certainly has some positives behind it. If it increases the chances of us beating Austria, all the better, and it might well do that. The downsides are hypothetical but there are other ways of achieving the upsides, albeit they would have costs implications. If it is a "free" trip, I'd almost say why not? It's not a black and white decision, put it like that. |
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Trap junior
Robbie Keane YBIG Minister of Doom & Gloom Joined: 25 Jan 2010 Location: Irish Riviera Status: Offline Points: 39834 |
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I agree with the lads. This game is a farce.
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rolo
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you can't just say the downsides are hypothetical! Playing friendlies adversely affects our ranking. We're in a scrap for 4th place in the playoff seedings. The FAI don't know that. Nor does MON, I know he is pretty clueless about rankings, based on stuff he has said in the past. He said a couple of years ago he didnt realise friendlies counted towards rankings. I don't blame him though. His employers should be taking care of that and advising him. MON has his own job to do, a job he is doing very well. But he was never going to turn this trip down because he isn't even aware of the implications. Journalists never pick up on this stuff. The FAI aren't even aware of the situation. Only for the fact that a couple of clued-in posters on here pay attention to this kind of thing, there'd be nothing said about it.
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SuperDave84
Robbie Keane ooh Thomas, how could you do this to me! Joined: 26 Aug 2011 Location: Far Fungannon Status: Offline Points: 21384 |
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It's hypothetical in the sense that we might not make the playoffs (one way or the other) and playing this game alone might not be the difference between being fourth and fifth in the seedings if we do make the playoffs.
I thought I was clear enough on that. The bit in brackets in my first post explained exactly what I meant when I said it was hypothetical. |
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greenforever
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If this is the case he's incompetent and shouldn't be in the job. Personally I think most managers only concern themselves with the current time, and Mon's only concern is qualifying for Russia. He won't be thinking of seedings for play offs, he will be looking at winning the group.
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Peter Stöger
Davey Langan I am Wah. Joined: 10 Oct 2015 Status: Offline Points: 941 |
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I think this is way OTT and very unfair towards O'Neill. Look, we do the business and it will be up to the Serbs or Wales to worry about their playoff rankings. Que sera sera. Even if we balls up, and lose this meaningless game in the States, so be it we take it on the chin and move on from there. Next you'll be saying we need to wrap the squad in cotton wool between now and October lest someone gets injured. Sure injuries and suspensions are a fact of the game. It won't make much difference at the end of the day. If it keeps us on our toes mentally before Austria it's a good thing.
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tetsujin1979
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Other than the report in the star, is there any confirmation of the game?
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SuperDave84
Robbie Keane ooh Thomas, how could you do this to me! Joined: 26 Aug 2011 Location: Far Fungannon Status: Offline Points: 21384 |
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Indo have a report as well. Saw it on the face-bok earlier.
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Missy
Liam Brady Joined: 19 Mar 2016 Status: Offline Points: 1027 |
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Players need game time to keep match fit. I would think this this is a change for MON to look at fringe players in a training camp and with them getting getting game time. We blooded a lot of players in the US Cup years ago so this has its benefits. We have a lot of young players who will benefit from this trip. Whenever we have a decent seeding we get a tough group. This time sh*t seeding and we get a winnable group. People on this forum were looking for an away friendly and now have one. No pleasing some people |
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Missy
Liam Brady Joined: 19 Mar 2016 Status: Offline Points: 1027 |
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What play off we gonna top the group. |
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