San (Stan) Marino 10 years on |
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cliffrichard
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Watched this in the local, remember Brian Kerr co-commentating on TV3, when the winner went in, "Thank God for that!"
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lassassinblanc
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That was Germany away he came up behind Ray Houghton I thought |
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Het-field
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I recall Stan's "we won" attitude. There are easy games at international level, and ten years ago, they were easier. To have drawn that game would have eclipsed Eschen 1995 by some distance, and given San Marino's record, it would have ranked as one of the worst results of any European team in living memory.
The dismissive attempt at appealing to the win really rankled with me. Even the most indifferent football fan would have understood the entire context, and deemed it totally unacceptable. |
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Peter Stöger
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Spot on, Slovakia and Wales weren't easy games either by any means, even if they were weaker on paper. In fact, we were seeded fourth and finished third which is sort of ironic for that campaign. Conceeding in Slovakia so late on knocked the stuffing out of us, a win there and draw in Prague might have been enough. My endearing memory of the Stan era aside from Cyprus away would be Holland destroying us at home.
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deise316
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I disagree with that to be honest. I dunno is that because I was at the games in Cyprus & San Marino, but any time I see or hear mention of Stan, the first thing I think of is that disastrous campaign rather than the stellar Irish career as a player. There is a number of things about the era & games under Stan that are kind of taken as fact these days, but don't really tally with my own memory of things. The Swedes in that friendly were as disinterested a bunch of lads who ever showed up for a September friendly, I remember remarking to someone that it was the first time I had ever seen a team go through 90 minutes without making a single tackle. We did play well considering, but even at the time, I thought it had all the hallmarks of a kind of faulty result that would have little bearing on reality. The Germany game, they scored via a deflected shot, but all our attacking efforts culminated in Jens Lehman catching a single cross (or it might have been a corner) in 90 minutes. It wasn't too bad of a performance considering, but wasn't anything great either. Cyprus ended the Irish careers of Kenny, Andy O'Brien & Morrisson, in my opinion, somewhat unfairly. Not saying any of the 3 would have had anything substantial to offer in later years, but O'Brien & Morrisson were probably worthy of squad places at the very least in later games, as ever, we weren't laden down with that much talent. Always thought the San Marino game was nearly the worse of the 2 in a way, the Cypriots were decent at home around that era, beat Wales there as well if memory serves me right, though Wales weren't up to much then either. I kind of see where the lads who half hoped SM would win were coming from, but I wouldn't have been one of them. At that time, we still had a lot to play for, and the optimist in me thought we might turn it around, though even at the time it looked unlikely due to the generally dire performances. By the time Cyprus home game came around, there were many many others with the same opinion as the lads, and I include meself in that, I was nearly half sorry Finnan got (an excellent finish) the equaliser, though the few thousand staying on 15/20 minutes after the game calling for JD's head was what did for Stan, if it was going to be one or the other , JD was making sure it wasn't going to be him. |
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irelandfan
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I'm fairly sure TV3 showed this match as did the 5-2 vs Cyprus and the Macedonia game last minute equaliser blame them ****s.
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I'm the gaffer whatever I say goes.
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Bitored
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I don't know if you can say that for sure. The Czechs and Germans were two decent sides then, the Czechs actually topped the group. No doubt we should have put up a challenge for second. We had a squad far superior to the one that went to Poland/Ukraine.
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I won the Player of the Century award thanks to the people.Pele was second.He also came second behind Aryton Senna as Brazil's greatest sportsman.The award FIFA gave Pele isn't worth sh*t - Maradona
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Nib
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What was the game where Stan snuck up behind Tony O'Donoghue who was doing an interview and made a stupid face into the camera?
Dunphy flipped out big time.
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1874eire
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Worst thing was the fact that we were in a really poor group and if we had our sh!t together we probably would have qualified automatically as the top two went through at that time. We didn't have a bad group of players.
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greenforever
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Funninest post in a long time
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I know nothing :-)
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Bitored
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Fair enough It was an exceptional set of circumstances and it is the only Ireland game I have ever watched where I thought a poor result would be better in the long run for Ireland. Even during the Cyprus game when it went 4-2 I was full sure we`d pull it back to 4-4 and get out with the point It just seemed like that kind of a mad game. Wales were a minnow at that time and they were also 2-0 before they conceded. A very different situation to our near draw.
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I won the Player of the Century award thanks to the people.Pele was second.He also came second behind Aryton Senna as Brazil's greatest sportsman.The award FIFA gave Pele isn't worth sh*t - Maradona
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TonyNotJack
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Maybe he'd be sitting with 70 cap's and our midfield general now, if he hadn't inherited male pattern baldness. It's his grandad on his mam's side I blame, not his assorted grannies
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OnTheOneRoad
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saw the highlights of that game doing the rounds today. I had wrongly remembered it as a ball breaking for the san marino lad through on goal that he finished well. Christ the defending for it was beyond laughable.
Edited by OnTheOneRoad - 08 Feb 2017 at 8:58pm |
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No thank you Turkish......I'm sweet enough
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planning
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Watched the game at home. We looked to see the game out at 1-0, despite been under no pressure whatsoever, so nothing like a San Marino goal then to wake the players, up. Those last 8 minutes were more entertaining than the previous 86. In the end, it was just another team winning a game in San Marino.
Staunton said he would be happy with a narrow win and that's what he got. His only saving grace being that it was the last ever live Ireland game on TV3, so no Dunphy around to kick him backwards and sideways. Matt Holland was never going to kick his mate. Instead Dunphy had to wait until the Gerry Ryan Show the next day to rehash his usual rants at the time. |
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VAR: Cutting the crap out of football.
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irishmufc
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And if we're in similar circumstances (still an inept CEO but good manager) you'd actively hope our players don't get the win. It's not the players fault there was a bad management set up at all levels and under Trap, I'm sure there were Irish fans hoping the team would fail in the short term to benefit us in the long term but it's poor form imo to not want our team to win every game no matter what you think of the management set up or structure around them at the time. I'd rather someone boycott the home and away games if you felt that way than want us to be embarrassed in San Marino because that would've been even worse than us getting out of jail with maximum points. Funnily enough Wales only beat them 2-1 over there too Don't really mean to be having a go at yourself or Irwin either. I just don't agree with the short term sacrifice for long term gain approach when all our Irish sides run themselves into the ground no matter who's in charge
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Charlton's Child
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Was listing to Kevin kilbane take about this on Newstalk last night . He was pretty embarrassed about it and wasn't really comfortable talking about it or stan
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Bitored
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It may have been the ultimate reset button. A 2-1 win is probably well inside our top 5 worst results anyway. No positives to be taken out of this episode.
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I won the Player of the Century award thanks to the people.Pele was second.He also came second behind Aryton Senna as Brazil's greatest sportsman.The award FIFA gave Pele isn't worth sh*t - Maradona
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OnTheOneRoad
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No matter how bad Stan was, we'd never have lived that down.
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No thank you Turkish......I'm sweet enough
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