UEFA Nations League

Steve Amsterdam wrote: gspain wrote: Steve Amsterdam wrote: Anyone know when the actual draw for the groups is for this? Rankings till October will be used to determine which teams are in which league, and we're most likely in B. Matches in September, October and November 2018. So I would assume the draw will be made somewhere at the end of this year. But haven't found anything online yet. I don't know when the draw will take place.  However it is the rankings after the November playoffs that will be used.  Lots of info here. http://www.uefa.com/uefaeuro/news/newsid=2079553.html Yeah, but the playoffs will not be counted in the ranking.

BippityBoop wrote: Any idea which league Ireland will appear in after the final double World Cup qualifiers? Is it safe to say we will drop from League B into League C with Serbia going the other way?

What's the motivation to be in B. You play less games. Is there any benefit to bring in B as opposed to being in C

rolo wrote: Baldrick wrote: What's the motivation to be in B. You play less games. Is there any benefit to bring in B as opposed to being in C gspain gives a good reason a few posts above, and having considered it last night, I tend to agree with him. I had found the whole League thing confusing, so read up on it last night and it all makes perfect sense (at last). I suppose we couldnt take for granted winning a group in League C given our dearth of talent (which is being overlooked at the moment) and therefore being in B could be beneficial as we may find that the team who finish above us in our group actually qualify automatically anyway through the main qualifiers, thus giving us a a better chance of a second shot at it. Serbia will be in League C. I wouldnt say we'd be guarenteed to finish ahead of them in a group. The flipside to Gspain's point tho is that the playoffs are bound to be trickier in League B, tho in reality as he points out, most of the good sides in League B will have qualified automatically through the main process.

Edited by BippityBoop - 07 Sep 2017 at 12:01pm

Shedite wrote: Baldrick wrote: What's the motivation to be in B. You play less games. Is there any benefit to bring in B as opposed to being in C More glamorous games

rolo wrote: Baldrick wrote: What's the motivation to be in B. You play less games. Is there any benefit to bring in B as opposed to being in C gspain gives a good reason a few posts above, and having considered it last night, I tend to agree with him. I had found the whole League thing confusing, so read up on it last night and it all makes perfect sense (at last). I suppose we couldnt take for granted winning a group in League C given our dearth of talent (which is being overlooked at the moment) and therefore being in B could be beneficial as we may find that the team who finish above us in our group actually qualify automatically anyway through the main qualifiers, thus giving us a a better chance of a second shot at it. Serbia will be in League C. I wouldnt say we'd be guarenteed to finish ahead of them in a group. The flipside to Gspain's point tho is that the playoffs are bound to be trickier in League B, tho in reality as he points out, most of the good sides in League B will have qualified automatically through the main process.

I'm not quite clear on how the playoffs will work though.

Say, for sake of argument, 10 of the 12 teams in League A qualify through the main qualifying, and 9 of the 12 teams in League B qualify, with 1 from League C.

Are the playoffs as follows:
League A: 11 & 12 + 10 & 11 from League B
League B: 12 + 2, 3 & 4 from League C
League C: 5, 6, 7 & 8 from League C

Or as follows:
League A: 11 & 12 + 6 & 7 from League C
League B: 10, 11 & 12 + 8 from League C
League C: 2, 3, 4 & 5 from League C

It's not really clear at the minute. Obviously there is a big difference. In the first example, the League B teams are, by and large, screwed over (10 & 11 having to play in the League A playoffs), likely having to overcome better teams; in the second example, it's much easier, only having to overcome teams at their own level.

It will happen too; I'd be shocked if 8 or fewer of the teams in League A don't qualify automatically. It's who joins those teams: the best teams in League B who haven't already qualified, or the teams beneath them who wouldn't otherwise be in the playoffs.

It's quite clear each set of playoffs will not contain teams from a higher league (obviously) but it's a question that doesn't have an answer at the minute.

SuperDave84 wrote: rolo wrote: Baldrick wrote: What's the motivation to be in B. You play less games. Is there any benefit to bring in B as opposed to being in C gspain gives a good reason a few posts above, and having considered it last night, I tend to agree with him. I had found the whole League thing confusing, so read up on it last night and it all makes perfect sense (at last). I suppose we couldnt take for granted winning a group in League C given our dearth of talent (which is being overlooked at the moment) and therefore being in B could be beneficial as we may find that the team who finish above us in our group actually qualify automatically anyway through the main qualifiers, thus giving us a a better chance of a second shot at it. Serbia will be in League C. I wouldnt say we'd be guarenteed to finish ahead of them in a group. The flipside to Gspain's point tho is that the playoffs are bound to be trickier in League B, tho in reality as he points out, most of the good sides in League B will have qualified automatically through the main process. I'm not quite clear on how the playoffs will work though. Say, for sake of argument, 10 of the 12 teams in League A qualify through the main qualifying, and 9 of the 12 teams in League B qualify, with 1 from League C. Are the playoffs as follows: League A: 11 & 12 + 10 & 11 from League B League B: 12 + 2, 3 & 4 from League C League C: 5, 6, 7 & 8 from League C Or as follows: League A: 11 & 12 + 6 & 7 from League C League B: 10, 11 & 12 + 8 from League C League C: 2, 3, 4 & 5 from League C It's not really clear at the minute. Obviously there is a big difference. In the first example, the League B teams are, by and large, screwed over (10 & 11 having to play in the League A playoffs), likely having to overcome better teams; in the second example, it's much easier, only having to overcome teams at their own level. It will happen too; I'd be shocked if 8 or fewer of the teams in League A don't qualify automatically. It's who joins those teams: the best teams in League B who haven't already qualified, or the teams beneath them who wouldn't otherwise be in the playoffs. It's quite clear each set of playoffs will not contain teams from a higher league (obviously) but it's a question that doesn't have an answer at the minute.

Russia, Occupied Six Counties of Ulster, Slovakia, Sweden, Netherlands, Ukraine, Bosnia, Austria,Turkey,Denmark and Hungary. I'd like a trip to Bosnia and Slovakia meant to be great trips avoid the Scandinavian countries either Hungary or the Netherlands any excuse to visit Amsterdam.  

Given our recent form I wouldn't be confident of too many victories in a group with those teams.