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Originally posted by Hotlips_Hoolahan Hotlips_Hoolahan wrote:

Originally posted by John Nice John Nice wrote:

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Some people really need to get over this goal involvement thing. Some of these assists are literally a basic pass to the goalscorer who does all the work. Often times we're not talking about defense-splitting, eye-of-the-needle stuff like Kevin De Bruyne or peak Juan Riquelme. Even for the Ferguson assist for the March goal - and that was good - March had a lot to do himself. With some of Robinson's we're talking a notch below that. In any case, when has he ever shown that creative streak for Ireland or looked like scoring against teams that aren't Bahrain? The guy doesn't know when to release a pass! 

His goalscoring record shouldn't be used as a stick to beat Idah with. If Idah played enough games I'm sure he'd be able to score 1 in 5. Georgie Kelly, too, by the looks of things. 

If it was just about goals, we'd start Keane and Hogan, and they've looked rubbish for us!

Look I've already said he's no world beater, but he has 8 in 34 for Ireland (0.24 per game) which stands up favourably against Quinn (0.23), Cascarino (0.22), Long (0.20) and Doyle (0.22). He has also rarely led the line for Ireland and has rarely played full 90 minute stints in those 34 caps (I'd like to see his goals per minute record). Connolly, Idah, Will Keane and Hogan have yet to score for Ireland in the 40 odd games they have been involved in.
Remind me. What teams did he score against for us? He has a goal every 300 minutes this season in the league for Cardiff and WBA. Averages about 1 in 6 at Championship level. Previous teams (Sheffield United and WBA) look far better when he's not in the team. Now he's part of an absolutely sh*te Cardiff team (water finds its own level). IDC how many assist assists he has or how many times he was the last player to touch a ball before a teammate scored! James McClean has the same amount of assists this season. Nobody is asking for him to still be in the side! We need to start looking past players who've had ample time to perform for us and haven't. He's a modern day Simon Cox.

Tbf, that's just a load of hyperbolics to be honest. He's a support striker/wide forward who is averaging a goal involvement every 125 minutes in the Championship, well clear of any other Irish player in the same league. He scored the winner vs Malta in our most recent international and was probably the best performing attacking player in the previous game vs Norway. We all love shiny new things, but sooner or later, we have to see them actually perform consistently at a decent level. Robinson is still only 27, so to suggest we simply dispense with him, when our other options are producing pretty poor numbers is a bit silly imo. 
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Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

Robinson's full record for this season:
6 goals + 6 assists in 1400 minutes (goal involvement every 117 minutes).

His record in the Championship overall:
46 goals in 12,700 minutes (a goal every 275 minutes)
32 assists in 12,700 minutes (an assist every 397 minutes)
Overall, a goal involvement every 162 minutes.

In essense then, you're looking at an attacking player with a top Championship record, who is also significantly outperforming his own average this season. He's a fine player in great form.

Cheers, though even I would qualify that by saying, he's a decent player in good form Smile

Certainly worthy of a place in the squad and on current form, the first XI.
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Originally posted by John Nice John Nice wrote:

Originally posted by Hotlips_Hoolahan Hotlips_Hoolahan wrote:

Originally posted by John Nice John Nice wrote:

Originally posted by Hotlips_Hoolahan Hotlips_Hoolahan wrote:

Some people really need to get over this goal involvement thing. Some of these assists are literally a basic pass to the goalscorer who does all the work. Often times we're not talking about defense-splitting, eye-of-the-needle stuff like Kevin De Bruyne or peak Juan Riquelme. Even for the Ferguson assist for the March goal - and that was good - March had a lot to do himself. With some of Robinson's we're talking a notch below that. In any case, when has he ever shown that creative streak for Ireland or looked like scoring against teams that aren't Bahrain? The guy doesn't know when to release a pass! 

His goalscoring record shouldn't be used as a stick to beat Idah with. If Idah played enough games I'm sure he'd be able to score 1 in 5. Georgie Kelly, too, by the looks of things. 

If it was just about goals, we'd start Keane and Hogan, and they've looked rubbish for us!

Look I've already said he's no world beater, but he has 8 in 34 for Ireland (0.24 per game) which stands up favourably against Quinn (0.23), Cascarino (0.22), Long (0.20) and Doyle (0.22). He has also rarely led the line for Ireland and has rarely played full 90 minute stints in those 34 caps (I'd like to see his goals per minute record). Connolly, Idah, Will Keane and Hogan have yet to score for Ireland in the 40 odd games they have been involved in.
Remind me. What teams did he score against for us? He has a goal every 300 minutes this season in the league for Cardiff and WBA. Averages about 1 in 6 at Championship level. Previous teams (Sheffield United and WBA) look far better when he's not in the team. Now he's part of an absolutely sh*te Cardiff team (water finds its own level). IDC how many assist assists he has or how many times he was the last player to touch a ball before a teammate scored! James McClean has the same amount of assists this season. Nobody is asking for him to still be in the side! We need to start looking past players who've had ample time to perform for us and haven't. He's a modern day Simon Cox.

Tbf, that's just a load of hyperbolics to be honest. He's a support striker/wide forward who is averaging a goal involvement every 125 minutes in the Championship, well clear of any other Irish player in the same league. He scored the winner vs Malta in our most recent international and was probably the best performing attacking player in the previous game vs Norway. We all love shiny new things, but sooner or later, we have to see them actually perform consistently at a decent level. Robinson is still only 27, so to suggest we simply dispense with him, when our other options are producing pretty poor numbers is a bit silly imo. 
Or he has 1 goal in every 300 minutes (4 in 20) this season, the team he plays for is struggling, he's in and out of the side, and his old team is flying! 

Here's his record at Championship level over the last few seasons: 4 in 20, 7 in 43, 3 in 16, 12 in 27, 7 in 41 (going from this season to the 17/18 season). Here's his record at PL level: 5 in 28, 1 in 16 (WBA and SU respectively).

He has to be a squad option and no more going forward. The likes of Ogbene have way more upside. 

IDC how many times he's won a corner. Ryan Manning has as many goal involvements and can't get in squads despite being arguably Swansea's most important player FFS!
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HH is spot on, Ogbene, Obafemi and  Ferguson have so much more quality and have actual strong attributes, what is Robinson actually good at? He’s not quick, strong, good at dribbling and not a great finisher either.

But he’s a fine player? How?
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Originally posted by Hotlips_Hoolahan Hotlips_Hoolahan wrote:

Originally posted by John Nice John Nice wrote:

Look I've already said he's no world beater, but he has 8 in 34 for Ireland (0.24 per game) which stands up favourably against Quinn (0.23), Cascarino (0.22), Long (0.20) and Doyle (0.22). He has also rarely led the line for Ireland and has rarely played full 90 minute stints in those 34 caps (I'd like to see his goals per minute record). Connolly, Idah, Will Keane and Hogan have yet to score for Ireland in the 40 odd games they have been involved in.
Remind me. What teams did he score against for us? He has a goal every 300 minutes this season in the league for Cardiff and WBA. Averages about 1 in 6 at Championship level. Previous teams (Sheffield United and WBA) look far better when he's not in the team. Now he's part of an absolutely sh*te Cardiff team (water finds its own level). IDC how many assist assists he has or how many times he was the last player to touch a ball before a teammate scored! James McClean has the same amount of assists this season. Nobody is asking for him to still be in the side! We need to start looking past players who've had ample time to perform for us and haven't. He's a modern day Simon Cox.


You didn't address one of John's ponts in that response.
Not a one.

For what it's worth, I'd rather we were past starting a lad like Robinson, but we are where we are and we can't magic up forwards from thin air.
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For me CRob is one of the the less questionable squad picks.  I'm not even a fan really. He's no superstar and shouldn't be a starter but has better end product than many attacking players we have. I hope some more of our talented youngsters pass him but I think he still gets picked as a squad member easily for now.
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Originally posted by BrendanD88 BrendanD88 wrote:

HH is spot on, Ogbene, Obafemi and  Ferguson have so much more quality and have actual strong attributes, what is Robinson actually good at? He’s not quick, strong, good at dribbling and not a great finisher either.

But he’s a fine player? How?

Because he is quick, a good dribbler, good control, a creative passer, and a decent finisher off either boot? LOL He's light years ahead of Ogbene in terms of technique, Ogbene is just faster and stronger. Ferguson and Obafemi we all obviously hope will end up much better than either of the aforementioned (and they have the ability to be), but as of yet they are young players with development to do.
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Originally posted by BrendanD88 BrendanD88 wrote:

HH is spot on, Ogbene, Obafemi and  Ferguson have so much more quality and have actual strong attributes, what is Robinson actually good at? He’s not quick, strong, good at dribbling and not a great finisher either.

But he’s a fine player? How?
Yeah. In addition to that, his link-up play is generally abysmal, particularly in the last few games. Moves constantly breaking down whenever the ball came to him. For that reason, it's definitely worth giving the Parrott/Obafemi partnership time to thrive or seeing how Ferguson or Obafemi would work together or basically anything else. I wouldn't have him starting in any of the forward permutations. It's time we moved past this mediocrity. If it was someone like Long, Doyle or Walters who had a bit of presence, holdup play or leadership to pass on, fair enough, but I don't see what he offers at present or a pathway for him to improve. He's had plenty of chances at PL and International level and he's just not up to the standard. Give lads like Idah the pathway seeing as we're on a hiding to nothing in this group anyway.
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Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

Originally posted by BrendanD88 BrendanD88 wrote:

HH is spot on, Ogbene, Obafemi and  Ferguson have so much more quality and have actual strong attributes, what is Robinson actually good at? He’s not quick, strong, good at dribbling and not a great finisher either.

But he’s a fine player? How?

Because he is quick, a good dribbler, good control, a creative passer, and a decent finisher off either boot? LOL He's light years ahead of Ogbene in terms of technique, Ogbene is just faster and stronger. Ferguson and Obafemi we all obviously hope will end up much better than either of the aforementioned (and they have the ability to be), but as of yet they are young players with development to do.

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Can't have Robinson as a footballer at all. A total nothing player who adds zero to our team. 
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Can't have Robinson as a footballer at all. A total nothing player who adds zero to our team. 

What you talking about? He’s quick, a good dribbler, good control, a creative passer and a decent finisher off either foot.
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I never get the Robinson hatred, he's our only player consistently scoring goals the past 3 years.

He's technically better than most of the current crop and is more than just a squad player. He's got us out of jail on a few occasions (Azerbaijan & Malta)
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Robinson should be in the squad, wether he starts or not is a different story. People questioning the goals he scored for us and the quality of the opposition while mentioning the likes of Idah, Ogbene etc is strange.

Idah started against Azerbaijan, done nothing and was taken off when Robinson had scored twice already at that stage.

Ogbene started against Malta with Robinson scoring, albeit an absolute gift.

He's no world beater but we're not exactly flush up front. It would be crazy to leave him out of the squad.
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Originally posted by Mr. Snrub Mr. Snrub wrote:

I never get the Robinson hatred, he's our only player consistently scoring goals the past 3 years.

He's technically better than most of the current crop and is more than just a squad player. He's got us out of jail on a few occasions (Azerbaijan & Malta)

Indeed, there's a very peculiar trend on here where it's our best performing players who get the most needle, simply because they aren't world class/were born in the wrong place/don't have the right age profile etc. Robinson has pretty consistently been the most creative attacking player on show under Kenny (even going back as far as the dark last days under MON, he was the one player who looked like he offered some invention in attack), and he's backed that up with 8 goals in 3 years for a team that has rarely been prolific. Gets scant appreciation for that good return though.
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Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

Originally posted by Mr. Snrub Mr. Snrub wrote:

I never get the Robinson hatred, he's our only player consistently scoring goals the past 3 years.

He's technically better than most of the current crop and is more than just a squad player. He's got us out of jail on a few occasions (Azerbaijan & Malta)

Indeed, there's a very peculiar trend on here where it's our best performing players who get the most needle, simply because they aren't world class/were born in the wrong place/don't have the right age profile etc. Robinson has pretty consistently been the most creative attacking player on show under Kenny (even going back as far as the dark last days under MON, he was the one player who looked like he offered some invention in attack), and he's backed that up with 8 goals in 3 years for a team that has rarely been prolific. Gets scant appreciation for that good return though.
He's been consistently muck aside from his Qatar/Azerbaijan purple patch. He's got pretty poor footballing intelligence. Always giving the ball away in the final third, usually due to making the wrong decision. One to play against the minnows but doesn't offer enough against good sides. As others have mentioned, what's he actually good at? 
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Originally posted by SeaSharp SeaSharp wrote:

Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

Originally posted by Mr. Snrub Mr. Snrub wrote:

I never get the Robinson hatred, he's our only player consistently scoring goals the past 3 years.

He's technically better than most of the current crop and is more than just a squad player. He's got us out of jail on a few occasions (Azerbaijan & Malta)

Indeed, there's a very peculiar trend on here where it's our best performing players who get the most needle, simply because they aren't world class/were born in the wrong place/don't have the right age profile etc. Robinson has pretty consistently been the most creative attacking player on show under Kenny (even going back as far as the dark last days under MON, he was the one player who looked like he offered some invention in attack), and he's backed that up with 8 goals in 3 years for a team that has rarely been prolific. Gets scant appreciation for that good return though.
He's been consistently muck aside from his Qatar/Azerbaijan purple patch. He's got pretty poor footballing intelligence. Always giving the ball away in the final third, usually due to making the wrong decision. One to play against the minnows but doesn't offer enough against good sides. As others have mentioned, what's he actually good at? 

Again, the stats just don't back that up. He's got 9 goal involvements in 1860 minutes for Ireland (1 every 206 minutes). Whether you like it or not, the argument that he isn't making decisive attacking contributions (for club or country) on a regular basis completely collapses under even the slightest scrutiny. So the very obvious answer to the utterly stupid question of "what is he good at" is scoring and assisting goals (ie the primary job of a wide attacker).
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Originally posted by SeaSharp SeaSharp wrote:

Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

Originally posted by Mr. Snrub Mr. Snrub wrote:

I never get the Robinson hatred, he's our only player consistently scoring goals the past 3 years.

He's technically better than most of the current crop and is more than just a squad player. He's got us out of jail on a few occasions (Azerbaijan & Malta)

Indeed, there's a very peculiar trend on here where it's our best performing players who get the most needle, simply because they aren't world class/were born in the wrong place/don't have the right age profile etc. Robinson has pretty consistently been the most creative attacking player on show under Kenny (even going back as far as the dark last days under MON, he was the one player who looked like he offered some invention in attack), and he's backed that up with 8 goals in 3 years for a team that has rarely been prolific. Gets scant appreciation for that good return though.
He's been consistently muck aside from his Qatar/Azerbaijan purple patch. He's got pretty poor footballing intelligence. Always giving the ball away in the final third, usually due to making the wrong decision. One to play against the minnows but doesn't offer enough against good sides. As others have mentioned, what's he actually good at? 

Again, the stats just don't back that up. He's got 9 goal involvements in 1860 minutes for Ireland (1 every 206 minutes). Whether you like it or not, the argument that he isn't making decisive attacking contributions (for club or country) on a regular basis completely collapses under even the slightest scrutiny. So the very obvious answer to the utterly stupid question of "what is he good at" is scoring and assisting goals (ie the primary job of a wide attacker).


What's he good at, eh goal contributions.........
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Let's be straight about his contributions.

3 goals vs Qatar (friendly)
1 goal vs New Zealand (friendly)
1 goal vs Malta (friendly and had it gifted to him)
1 good assist vs Serbia
2 goals vs Azerbaijan
1 goal vs Luxembourg (when the game was already over).

Use as many stats as you like, but those are the facts. He's crap and even worse when it's him and Ogbene together having a competition on who can make the most terrible decisions in 90 minutes.


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