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MC Hammered
Jack Charlton Joined: 05 Oct 2011 Status: Offline Points: 6874 |
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Going by that logic, would the average Joe Soap in the Republic vote for unification if they felt it would mean less money in his pocket?
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El Puto Amo
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drog addict
Jack Charlton Castleknocker Joined: 21 Oct 2008 Location: Sunnyvale Status: Offline Points: 6821 |
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Good point. Not too sure. Depends how its sold to them. No doubt there would be help from the EU and the tans will have to help in other ways before they leave.
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irishmufc
Robbie Keane I love Vulvas Joined: 09 Aug 2011 Location: Dublin Status: Offline Points: 25100 |
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There's a lot of partitionists down here along with a partitionist state broadcaster. Unfortunately, a lot of people in the 26 are probably lukewarm at best to the prospect of a United Ireland.
Between partitionist apathy and Unionist hostility towards a United Ireland, I just can't see a United Ireland in the next 10/20 years as one or two have suggested on here, irrespective of changing social and economic circumstances.
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Wings? They're only the band The Beatles could have been.
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horsebox
Robbie Keane Born n bred in darndale. Joined: 03 Feb 2010 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 34893 |
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No they wouldn't. The vast vast majority are me feiners Back to your original point - and I've heard this direct from soft Unionists. No matter what, any sort of Unionist will never vote for a UI, end of story. It will be the end of them as they see it. |
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It was far across the sea,
When the devil got a hold of me, He wouldn't set me free, So he kept me soul for ransom. na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na. I'm a sailor man from Glasgow to |
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inlikeflynn
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The tax burden is already massive in the south. I’m not sure people can take any more. I can understand someone having an aspirational desire to see a United Ireland, but being unwilling to pay for it. It will lead to a lot of resentment from those in the south who have to pay for it, and then from those in the north who see themselves as having less employment, poorer living standards etc. I think the UI in terms of a unified government for the island is an inevitability in my lifetime (43 yo). But I don’t think I’ll ever see a United Ireland in the social and economic context.
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The Huntacha
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We've more immediate concerns in the 26 than trying to push through a UI within the next 10-15 years. Previously, I thought that a UI would happen within that time frame, but our social issues should be of a greater concern to our new government.
Would agree that one of the biggest obstacles would be the "southern" (me feiner) vote, and would have been critical of that in previous years. But given the housing/healthcare/homelessness issues we have, I don't think we can criticise any one until vast improvements have been made to these areas. Realism over idealism.
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Jimmy Bullard - "Favorite band? Elastic."
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horsebox
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We have to plan for it now.
There is a majority that want it and will vote for it and of course Brexit changes everything. There will always be a crisis and more immediate concens in the country, like any other country. The government can't just keep kicking it down the road either. Most of the myths will be dismissed, i.e. the cost to the tax payer etc.. If the leader of the UFF is willing to to the table to discuss it then there is no reasons why political leaders in the South can't do the same. Edited by horsebox - 20 Feb 2020 at 8:40am |
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It was far across the sea,
When the devil got a hold of me, He wouldn't set me free, So he kept me soul for ransom. na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na. I'm a sailor man from Glasgow to |
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The Huntacha
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Can't disagree with the first point. My point was more about the voters rather than the government. The more crises they see on a day-to-day basis being unresolved, the less likely they will be to vote for a UI.
Edited by The Huntacha - 20 Feb 2020 at 9:04am |
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Jimmy Bullard - "Favorite band? Elastic."
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SuperDave84
Robbie Keane ooh Thomas, how could you do this to me! Joined: 26 Aug 2011 Location: Far Fungannon Status: Offline Points: 21384 |
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If voters in Ireland are given a choice, they will vote for a UI. There is no prospect of NI voting for a United Ireland and the republic voting against it, none. The fact is, it is for the people of the north to decide where they stand. If they vote for a UI, the Government of Ireland will be left with little choice but to deal with it. That won't come at a time of the choosing of the Government of Ireland either, albeit you'd imagine the secretary of state for NI in the UK would listen to what they had to say. The recriminations if the republic voted against NI rejoining would be massive but, while I know there would be a small vote against it, every single party in this state would campaign in favour of it. There'll be a few against it, but it would be carried 80/20. There's no prospect of it failing. If the north were to schedule a vote on it, following an appropriate order by the secretary of state for NI, the government here would have no political choice but to schedule a similar referendum, probably on the same day, and it would pass easily. The power of the government here with regard to NI and a UI is very, very limited. But anyway, I'm not sure it's going to happen soon, based on that 29% / 51% opinion poll from a few days back.
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horsebox
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It was far across the sea,
When the devil got a hold of me, He wouldn't set me free, So he kept me soul for ransom. na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na. I'm a sailor man from Glasgow to |
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Martiponti
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It's not so long ago there was a poll which showes 51% in favour of a UI.That poll was at the time unionists needed to be kept in line when Boris shafted them.The present poll coincides in time with the glorious victory of SF and the fear that they will now press for a border poll.If SF were to get such a poll, Scotland would be squealing for another Indyreferendum.Boris and his lot would only be too happy to get shot of the 6, but not Scotland. "Let's scare the living f. out of them with an " independent" poll"
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horsebox
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It was far across the sea,
When the devil got a hold of me, He wouldn't set me free, So he kept me soul for ransom. na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na. I'm a sailor man from Glasgow to |
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Dalymount79
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A couple of things coming up in NI in the next couple of years.
What the indicators are for a border pole who knows. 2021 Census - it will be interesting in light of Brexit what nationality people will identify then selves as. In 2011 the majority of people of Protestant / Unionist tradition identified as British while Catholic / Nationalist as Irish or Northern Irish. Will P/Us drift to an NI identity - Will the C / N consider themselves more Irish than Northern Irish. What will the U40s who’ve had kids in the the last ten years view themselves as and put their kids down as. Next assembly election - due before May 2020.
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bogball88
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Rumours that John Hume has passed away
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brianie
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Source?
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ITS KEANE YES
YBIG You Can Please some of the People Some of the Time But Not All of The People All of The Time |
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Roberto Baggio
Robbie Keane UNBELIEVABLE JEFF Joined: 28 Jan 2010 Status: Offline Points: 37350 |
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What’s happening in the north at the minute is that Michelle O’Neill is being vilified in the media for speaking up and saying that the north’s reaction to Covid is too slow, and being accused of turning it into an orange and green issue, whilst at the same time the same outlets are quizzing her on whether she would support the British army building an emergency hospital for coronavirus patients
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BrendanD88
Roy Keane 99% of my posts are emojis Joined: 29 Mar 2013 Location: Co Down Status: Offline Points: 10019 |
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100%!! Michelle O'Neill is 100% spot on, the way Robin Swann has handled things has been nothing short of embarrassing.
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Double Maxim
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Terri will be devastated 12 July marches cancelled.
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Double Maxim without doubt the greatest drink in the world
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