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Trap had a fine group of players to choose from (despite the bizarre argument at the time that we were lacking in talent, which seems to have simply become a mindlessly repeated mantra post 2002..). The football was atrocious, and he regularly made outrageous player selections, but the first 2 campaigns were acceptable in the sense that we got reasonable results by and large. Euro 2012 and the following campaign were incredibly bad however, and he exposed himself as being completely incapable of change when his "plan A" (ie his only plan) didn't work.
trap was a disgrace, cowardly football, leaving a prime hoolahan out of he's plans. Traps reign is like a bad dream.


Absolute laughable post. HThere wasn't many people calling for his inclusion back then anyway.

And it was Trap who bought him into the team and he was sh*te when he did play.

Football is never about one player, unless you are Messi or Ronaldo

Not true on Hoolahan. He played against Poland and Georgia under Trap and ran the show. By 2012 Hoolahan was already considered the star turn at Norwich. Trap just didn’t like him because he didn’t track back
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Originally posted by Trap junior Trap junior wrote:

Ah sure Brian Kerr ignored Coleman for years.  


What about Rory O'Connor ignoring Diarmuit MacMurchada? That really cost us against the Normans
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Originally posted by irishmufc irishmufc wrote:

Total revisionism and churlishness to rubbish any of the successes that Trap achieved with Ireland. 

Qualifying for a major tournament was fantastic but his unbeaten away record in competitive games will never be matched. Was 12/13 consecutive away games or something like that?! Clap 

As Liam Brady said we were in the wilderness for 16 years before Trap came in. He also almost qualified us for a world cup as well. 


16 years? Trap was appointed in 2008 so you're effectively saying we were in the wilderness from 1992-2008 LOLLOL

The 1994 & 2002 World Cups were a real travesty alright


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Originally posted by DeclanDaly DeclanDaly wrote:

Originally posted by horsebox horsebox wrote:

Originally posted by Crap senior Crap senior wrote:

Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

Trap had a fine group of players to choose from (despite the bizarre argument at the time that we were lacking in talent, which seems to have simply become a mindlessly repeated mantra post 2002..). The football was atrocious, and he regularly made outrageous player selections, but the first 2 campaigns were acceptable in the sense that we got reasonable results by and large. Euro 2012 and the following campaign were incredibly bad however, and he exposed himself as being completely incapable of change when his "plan A" (ie his only plan) didn't work.
trap was a disgrace, cowardly football, leaving a prime hoolahan out of he's plans. Traps reign is like a bad dream.


Absolute laughable post. HThere wasn't many people calling for his inclusion back then anyway.

And it was Trap who bought him into the team and he was sh*te when he did play.

Football is never about one player, unless you are Messi or Ronaldo

Not true on Hoolahan. He played against Poland and Georgia under Trap and ran the show. By 2012 Hoolahan was already considered the star turn at Norwich. Trap just didn’t like him because he didn’t track back

One of the BIGGEST misconceptions about Hoolahan was his supposed lack of defensive work. Check out any match for Ireland. For a number 10, the amount of times that he won the ball back is to be commended. And there's no better person to be winning the ball back than your actual playmaker who has the ability subsequently to play the right pass, instigating attacks. 

I don't think Trap was stupid enough not to recognise Hoolahan's obvious talent. but when it came to this Irish team Trap was pragmatic and risk-averse. Hoolahan takes risks which is what makes him the player he is. This is not what Trap wanted. Hoolahan's absence from the Irish team was as basic as that. 
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https://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/the-irish-mentality-is-in-my-blood-liam-kelly-hopes-feyenoord-form-will-lead-to-callup-38302097.html
Not sure if this has been posted, but positive words on his irish career
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Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

Am I right in saying we never beat a higher ranked side under Trap? His style brought us up to a very specific level (ie organised, pragmatic, and capable  of grinding out wins against poorer sides) but was absolutely incapable of going even an inch further than that. It was utterly turgid and inflexible, and ultimately that proved to be his downfall.
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Thanks for posting something actually related to Kelly. Had to skip through several pages of irrelevant nonsense to find it. 

*Edit* Ah, too late.


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Originally posted by tetsujin1979 tetsujin1979 wrote:

Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

Am I right in saying we never beat a higher ranked side under Trap? His style brought us up to a very specific level (ie organised, pragmatic, and capable  of grinding out wins against poorer sides) but was absolutely incapable of going even an inch further than that. It was utterly turgid and inflexible, and ultimately that proved to be his downfall.
beat Italy 2-0 in June 2011. They were ninth, we were 34th

Apologies, that should read "never beat a higher ranked side in a competitive fixture"; I'm almost certain that is the case.
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Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

Originally posted by tetsujin1979 tetsujin1979 wrote:

Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

Am I right in saying we never beat a higher ranked side under Trap? His style brought us up to a very specific level (ie organised, pragmatic, and capable  of grinding out wins against poorer sides) but was absolutely incapable of going even an inch further than that. It was utterly turgid and inflexible, and ultimately that proved to be his downfall.
beat Italy 2-0 in June 2011. They were ninth, we were 34th

Apologies, that should read "never beat a higher ranked side in a competitive fixture"; I'm almost certain that is the case.


This was the case from beating Holland in 2001 until we beat Ze Germans in 2015.
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So...Liam Kelly huh?
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Originally posted by DangerHere DangerHere wrote:

So...Liam Kelly huh?

Good player. Could become useful for us if he can hold down a spot at Feyenoord. Very encouraging how much belief they have in him.
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I suppose the only downside to this is that he is essentially Stam's player rather than Feyenoord's; if Stam loses his job he may not have anyone else around to back him. Still a great opportunity for him to go out and prove himself to everyone else all the same.
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Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

I suppose the only downside to this is that he is essentially Stam's player rather than Feyenoord's; if Stam loses his job he may not have anyone else around to back him. Still a great opportunity for him to go out and prove himself to everyone else all the same.
 
That is a worry. The same thing happened with David Connolly at Feyenoord as far as I recall...and of course Robbie Keane at Inter
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Unfortunately like a lot of talented playmakers he has suffered from poor mentality in the past. Jack Byrne, Daniel Crowley and others who have equally stalled their careers.

We need more playmakers who are as humble and lovely as Wes. Wink
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Originally posted by Banjaxed Banjaxed wrote:

Unfortunately like a lot of talented playmakers he has suffered from poor mentality in the past. Jack Byrne, Daniel Crowley and others who have equally stalled their careers.

We need more playmakers who are as humble and lovely as Wes. Wink


Just better than him at football...
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Originally posted by Crap senior Crap senior wrote:

Originally posted by Banjaxed Banjaxed wrote:

Unfortunately like a lot of talented playmakers he has suffered from poor mentality in the past. Jack Byrne, Daniel Crowley and others who have equally stalled their careers.

We need more playmakers who are as humble and lovely as Wes. Wink


what's happened to Byrne to hold him back? Brilliant talent.

You tell me? But there's a reason why someone of his talent has ended up at Shamrock Rovers. 
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Originally posted by Banjaxed Banjaxed wrote:

Originally posted by Crap senior Crap senior wrote:

Originally posted by Banjaxed Banjaxed wrote:

Unfortunately like a lot of talented playmakers he has suffered from poor mentality in the past. Jack Byrne, Daniel Crowley and others who have equally stalled their careers.

We need more playmakers who are as humble and lovely as Wes. Wink


what's happened to Byrne to hold him back? Brilliant talent.

You tell me? But there's a reason why someone of his talent has ended up at Shamrock Rovers. 

He played very well last night against Brann. His deliveries were exceptional.
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