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 Posted: 15 Feb 2019 at 10:27am |
 pre Madonna wrote:
Drumcondra 69er wrote:
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fochie wrote:
I can see both sides,what it boils down to is maybe International football isnt what it once was. The game has changed and with it the sentimental value of representing your country becoming more scarce.Its down to a matter of opinion of which imo KKs is the valid one.
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Football mirrors society. National identity has been changed or eroded, particularly in western Europe, for good or bad. See Brexit. More than that, many more people now have more than one identity. Rice has a clear emotional connection to two countries and when forced into making a choice, chose with his head. It is more than possible his heart was divided, everything points to that. Killer seems incapable of realising that not everybody grew up in a fully Irish family in Lancashire, totally immersed in Irish culture. The world has changed. Irish identity in England has changed. We are no longer feared or reviled, that job has been taken on by Muslims and the EU. Kids from Irish families aren't different. They don't spend Sundays being dragged to mass by Grandmothers and drinking Club Orange in Irish clubs and centres. Should I have kids here they will grow up with two identities, should they be good at sport they too will have a choice. I certainly wouldn't force them to do anything. That's what Declan Rice had to do. I admire Kilbane's passion and love for Ireland and the national team,but he has acute myopia in this instance. |
He chose with his wallet imo.
Look, there's an entire valid discussion to be had about identity where your line of thinking is entirely reasonable. The problem people have is that Rice went out of his way to show that he wasn't conflicted, went on the record saying there was no decision to make and accepted 3 senior caps. If he was conflicted then he shouldn't have done that. |
Wallet would equate to head in this situation.
I think the problem there is that he wasn't conflicted at the time, the conflict came afterwards and now everything is seen in the light of that. He was, and still is Irish, so was therefore happy and proud to play for Ireland. He was asked questions that seemed irrelevant and answered them. |
I think this is fairly spot on.
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Posted: 15 Feb 2019 at 10:32am |
A rock solid interpretation of events. A least the FAI left no stone unturned blah blah blah....
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Posted: 15 Feb 2019 at 10:49am |
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Anyone see the Irish Independent article trying to pin the blame on Roy Keane. They detailed the quotes from Rice before and after the supposed row with Keane last summer. |
No blame on Keane. The incident was one of 4/5 mentioned in a timeline of events to highlight when his head was turned.
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Posted: 15 Feb 2019 at 10:55am |
pre Madonna wrote:
Trigboy 10 wrote:
pre Madonna wrote:
Trigboy 10 wrote:
pre Madonna wrote:
fochie wrote:
I can see both sides,what it boils down to is maybe International football isnt what it once was. The game has changed and with it the sentimental value of representing your country becoming more scarce.Its down to a matter of opinion of which imo KKs is the valid one.
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Football mirrors society. National identity has been changed or eroded, particularly in western Europe, for good or bad. See Brexit. More than that, many more people now have more than one identity. Rice has a clear emotional connection to two countries and when forced into making a choice, chose with his head. It is more than possible his heart was divided, everything points to that. Killer seems incapable of realising that not everybody grew up in a fully Irish family in Lancashire, totally immersed in Irish culture. The world has changed. Irish identity in England has changed. We are no longer feared or reviled, that job has been taken on by Muslims and the EU. Kids from Irish families aren't different. They don't spend Sundays being dragged to mass by Grandmothers and drinking Club Orange in Irish clubs and centres. Should I have kids here they will grow up with two identities, should they be good at sport they too will have a choice. I certainly wouldn't force them to do anything. That's what Declan Rice had to do. I admire Kilbane's passion and love for Ireland and the national team,but he has acute myopia in this instance. |
Rice clearly didn't grow up immersed in Irish culture |
Exactly. You are getting it,f**king slowly mind you! |
You're only picking out the bit that's suits you. Rice doesn't have any emotional connection to Ireland he only has a an emotional connection to England. Wonder what your problem is with Irish centres as you've mentioned them a good few times before on here.
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The irony. 
Why doesn't Rice have any emotional connection to Ireland?All available evidence suggests he has. Unless, of course, he is a talented actor as well as a talented footballer.
I have no problem with Irish centres, how you have managed to mangle that from my posts is baffling. The reason I have mentioned them is I have drank in them, at times regularly, over here. They are not what they were before my time here. In many ways they are a relic of a time when being both Irish and English was incompatible, when second generation lads would have spent Sundays in these places as a child and had their first pint in them. They are dying out. I was in Nottingham last month, the last time I was there I drank in the huge Irish centre there, so I walked past and found it closed and empty. |
You were in Nottingham last month that's mad you're never off this thing. Beginning to think you got a bad beating in an Irish centre such is your dislike for them
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Posted: 15 Feb 2019 at 11:12am |
Trigboy 10 wrote:
pre Madonna wrote:
Trigboy 10 wrote:
pre Madonna wrote:
Trigboy 10 wrote:
pre Madonna wrote:
fochie wrote:
I can see both sides,what it boils down to is maybe International football isnt what it once was. The game has changed and with it the sentimental value of representing your country becoming more scarce.Its down to a matter of opinion of which imo KKs is the valid one.
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Football mirrors society. National identity has been changed or eroded, particularly in western Europe, for good or bad. See Brexit. More than that, many more people now have more than one identity. Rice has a clear emotional connection to two countries and when forced into making a choice, chose with his head. It is more than possible his heart was divided, everything points to that. Killer seems incapable of realising that not everybody grew up in a fully Irish family in Lancashire, totally immersed in Irish culture. The world has changed. Irish identity in England has changed. We are no longer feared or reviled, that job has been taken on by Muslims and the EU. Kids from Irish families aren't different. They don't spend Sundays being dragged to mass by Grandmothers and drinking Club Orange in Irish clubs and centres. Should I have kids here they will grow up with two identities, should they be good at sport they too will have a choice. I certainly wouldn't force them to do anything. That's what Declan Rice had to do. I admire Kilbane's passion and love for Ireland and the national team,but he has acute myopia in this instance. |
Rice clearly didn't grow up immersed in Irish culture |
Exactly. You are getting it,f**king slowly mind you! |
You're only picking out the bit that's suits you. Rice doesn't have any emotional connection to Ireland he only has a an emotional connection to England. Wonder what your problem is with Irish centres as you've mentioned them a good few times before on here.
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The irony.
Why doesn't Rice have any emotional connection to Ireland?All available evidence suggests he has. Unless, of course, he is a talented actor as well as a talented footballer.
I have no problem with Irish centres, how you have managed to mangle that from my posts is baffling. The reason I have mentioned them is I have drank in them, at times regularly, over here. They are not what they were before my time here. In many ways they are a relic of a time when being both Irish and English was incompatible, when second generation lads would have spent Sundays in these places as a child and had their first pint in them. They are dying out. I was in Nottingham last month, the last time I was there I drank in the huge Irish centre there, so I walked past and found it closed and empty. |
You were in Nottingham last month that's mad you're never off this thing. Beginning to think you got a bad beating in an Irish centre such is your dislike for them
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How on earth did you deduce that from his post?!
Of course the Irish centres are dying out as the demograhics are changing all the time. We're not as clustered together in tight knit communities that had large Irish populations such as Kilburn, Kingsbury etc etc than we were back then. Society has changed and will constantly change.
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Posted: 15 Feb 2019 at 11:28am |
Trigboy 10 wrote:
pre Madonna wrote:
Trigboy 10 wrote:
pre Madonna wrote:
Trigboy 10 wrote:
pre Madonna wrote:
fochie wrote:
I can see both sides,what it boils down to is maybe International football isnt what it once was. The game has changed and with it the sentimental value of representing your country becoming more scarce.Its down to a matter of opinion of which imo KKs is the valid one.
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Football mirrors society. National identity has been changed or eroded, particularly in western Europe, for good or bad. See Brexit. More than that, many more people now have more than one identity. Rice has a clear emotional connection to two countries and when forced into making a choice, chose with his head. It is more than possible his heart was divided, everything points to that. Killer seems incapable of realising that not everybody grew up in a fully Irish family in Lancashire, totally immersed in Irish culture. The world has changed. Irish identity in England has changed. We are no longer feared or reviled, that job has been taken on by Muslims and the EU. Kids from Irish families aren't different. They don't spend Sundays being dragged to mass by Grandmothers and drinking Club Orange in Irish clubs and centres. Should I have kids here they will grow up with two identities, should they be good at sport they too will have a choice. I certainly wouldn't force them to do anything. That's what Declan Rice had to do. I admire Kilbane's passion and love for Ireland and the national team,but he has acute myopia in this instance. |
Rice clearly didn't grow up immersed in Irish culture |
Exactly. You are getting it,f**king slowly mind you! |
You're only picking out the bit that's suits you. Rice doesn't have any emotional connection to Ireland he only has a an emotional connection to England. Wonder what your problem is with Irish centres as you've mentioned them a good few times before on here.
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The irony.
Why doesn't Rice have any emotional connection to Ireland?All available evidence suggests he has. Unless, of course, he is a talented actor as well as a talented footballer.
I have no problem with Irish centres, how you have managed to mangle that from my posts is baffling. The reason I have mentioned them is I have drank in them, at times regularly, over here. They are not what they were before my time here. In many ways they are a relic of a time when being both Irish and English was incompatible, when second generation lads would have spent Sundays in these places as a child and had their first pint in them. They are dying out. I was in Nottingham last month, the last time I was there I drank in the huge Irish centre there, so I walked past and found it closed and empty. |
You were in Nottingham last month that's mad you're never off this thing. Beginning to think you got a bad beating in an Irish centre such is your dislike for them
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There you have it! The stupidest post on the stupidest thread on the internet. Take a bow.
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Posted: 15 Feb 2019 at 11:31am |
irishmufc wrote:
Trigboy 10 wrote:
pre Madonna wrote:
Trigboy 10 wrote:
pre Madonna wrote:
Trigboy 10 wrote:
pre Madonna wrote:
fochie wrote:
I can see both sides,what it boils down to is maybe International football isnt what it once was. The game has changed and with it the sentimental value of representing your country becoming more scarce.Its down to a matter of opinion of which imo KKs is the valid one.
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Football mirrors society. National identity has been changed or eroded, particularly in western Europe, for good or bad. See Brexit. More than that, many more people now have more than one identity. Rice has a clear emotional connection to two countries and when forced into making a choice, chose with his head. It is more than possible his heart was divided, everything points to that. Killer seems incapable of realising that not everybody grew up in a fully Irish family in Lancashire, totally immersed in Irish culture. The world has changed. Irish identity in England has changed. We are no longer feared or reviled, that job has been taken on by Muslims and the EU. Kids from Irish families aren't different. They don't spend Sundays being dragged to mass by Grandmothers and drinking Club Orange in Irish clubs and centres. Should I have kids here they will grow up with two identities, should they be good at sport they too will have a choice. I certainly wouldn't force them to do anything. That's what Declan Rice had to do. I admire Kilbane's passion and love for Ireland and the national team,but he has acute myopia in this instance. |
Rice clearly didn't grow up immersed in Irish culture |
Exactly. You are getting it,f**king slowly mind you! |
You're only picking out the bit that's suits you. Rice doesn't have any emotional connection to Ireland he only has a an emotional connection to England. Wonder what your problem is with Irish centres as you've mentioned them a good few times before on here.
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The irony.
Why doesn't Rice have any emotional connection to Ireland?All available evidence suggests he has. Unless, of course, he is a talented actor as well as a talented footballer.
I have no problem with Irish centres, how you have managed to mangle that from my posts is baffling. The reason I have mentioned them is I have drank in them, at times regularly, over here. They are not what they were before my time here. In many ways they are a relic of a time when being both Irish and English was incompatible, when second generation lads would have spent Sundays in these places as a child and had their first pint in them. They are dying out. I was in Nottingham last month, the last time I was there I drank in the huge Irish centre there, so I walked past and found it closed and empty. |
You were in Nottingham last month that's mad you're never off this thing. Beginning to think you got a bad beating in an Irish centre such is your dislike for them
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How on earth did you deduce that from his post?!
Of course the Irish centres are dying out as the demograhics are changing all the time. We're not as clustered together in tight knit communities that had large Irish populations such as Kilburn, Kingsbury etc etc than we were back then. Society has changed and will constantly change. |
Ahhh maybe Muff but some things stay the same as I bet you still enter the house by using the backdoors 
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Posted: 15 Feb 2019 at 11:45am |
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Anyone see the Irish Independent article trying to pin the blame on Roy Keane. They detailed the quotes from Rice before and after the supposed row with Keane last summer. |
No blame on Keane. The incident was one of 4/5 mentioned in a timeline of events to highlight when his head was turned. |
Oh come off it. Roy Keane training ground bust up and England likability; just when was Declan Rice's head turned - is the headline, with a photo of Keane and Rice. Then the article details quotes from Rice before and after the bust up No blame on Keane my arse.
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Posted: 15 Feb 2019 at 12:03pm |
Roberto Baggio wrote:
The GerK wrote:
Roberto Baggio wrote:
Anyone see the Irish Independent article trying to pin the blame on Roy Keane. They detailed the quotes from Rice before and after the supposed row with Keane last summer. |
No blame on Keane. The incident was one of 4/5 mentioned in a timeline of events to highlight when his head was turned. |
Oh come off it. Roy Keane training ground bust up and England likability; just when was Declan Rice's head turned - is the headline, with a photo of Keane and Rice. Then the article details quotes from Rice before and after the bust up No blame on Keane my arse. |
Roy Keane hasn't been involved with the Ireland team since November 20th.
Rice's choice was not between England and Roy Keane.
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Posted: 15 Feb 2019 at 12:47pm |
pre Madonna wrote:
Trigboy 10 wrote:
pre Madonna wrote:
Trigboy 10 wrote:
pre Madonna wrote:
Trigboy 10 wrote:
pre Madonna wrote:
fochie wrote:
I can see both sides,what it boils down to is maybe International football isnt what it once was. The game has changed and with it the sentimental value of representing your country becoming more scarce.Its down to a matter of opinion of which imo KKs is the valid one.
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Football mirrors society. National identity has been changed or eroded, particularly in western Europe, for good or bad. See Brexit. More than that, many more people now have more than one identity. Rice has a clear emotional connection to two countries and when forced into making a choice, chose with his head. It is more than possible his heart was divided, everything points to that. Killer seems incapable of realising that not everybody grew up in a fully Irish family in Lancashire, totally immersed in Irish culture. The world has changed. Irish identity in England has changed. We are no longer feared or reviled, that job has been taken on by Muslims and the EU. Kids from Irish families aren't different. They don't spend Sundays being dragged to mass by Grandmothers and drinking Club Orange in Irish clubs and centres. Should I have kids here they will grow up with two identities, should they be good at sport they too will have a choice. I certainly wouldn't force them to do anything. That's what Declan Rice had to do. I admire Kilbane's passion and love for Ireland and the national team,but he has acute myopia in this instance. |
Rice clearly didn't grow up immersed in Irish culture |
Exactly. You are getting it,f**king slowly mind you! |
You're only picking out the bit that's suits you. Rice doesn't have any emotional connection to Ireland he only has a an emotional connection to England. Wonder what your problem is with Irish centres as you've mentioned them a good few times before on here.
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The irony.
Why doesn't Rice have any emotional connection to Ireland?All available evidence suggests he has. Unless, of course, he is a talented actor as well as a talented footballer.
I have no problem with Irish centres, how you have managed to mangle that from my posts is baffling. The reason I have mentioned them is I have drank in them, at times regularly, over here. They are not what they were before my time here. In many ways they are a relic of a time when being both Irish and English was incompatible, when second generation lads would have spent Sundays in these places as a child and had their first pint in them. They are dying out. I was in Nottingham last month, the last time I was there I drank in the huge Irish centre there, so I walked past and found it closed and empty. |
You were in Nottingham last month that's mad you're never off this thing. Beginning to think you got a bad beating in an Irish centre such is your dislike for them
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There you have it! The stupidest post on the stupidest thread on the internet. Take a bow. |
i think the stupidest post on the internet was someone saying they were leaving a forum for good and they were back within a month.
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Posted: 15 Feb 2019 at 12:49pm |
Trigboy 10 wrote:
pre Madonna wrote:
Trigboy 10 wrote:
pre Madonna wrote:
Trigboy 10 wrote:
pre Madonna wrote:
Trigboy 10 wrote:
pre Madonna wrote:
fochie wrote:
I can see both sides,what it boils down to is maybe International football isnt what it once was. The game has changed and with it the sentimental value of representing your country becoming more scarce.Its down to a matter of opinion of which imo KKs is the valid one.
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Football mirrors society. National identity has been changed or eroded, particularly in western Europe, for good or bad. See Brexit. More than that, many more people now have more than one identity. Rice has a clear emotional connection to two countries and when forced into making a choice, chose with his head. It is more than possible his heart was divided, everything points to that. Killer seems incapable of realising that not everybody grew up in a fully Irish family in Lancashire, totally immersed in Irish culture. The world has changed. Irish identity in England has changed. We are no longer feared or reviled, that job has been taken on by Muslims and the EU. Kids from Irish families aren't different. They don't spend Sundays being dragged to mass by Grandmothers and drinking Club Orange in Irish clubs and centres. Should I have kids here they will grow up with two identities, should they be good at sport they too will have a choice. I certainly wouldn't force them to do anything. That's what Declan Rice had to do. I admire Kilbane's passion and love for Ireland and the national team,but he has acute myopia in this instance. |
Rice clearly didn't grow up immersed in Irish culture |
Exactly. You are getting it,f**king slowly mind you! |
You're only picking out the bit that's suits you. Rice doesn't have any emotional connection to Ireland he only has a an emotional connection to England. Wonder what your problem is with Irish centres as you've mentioned them a good few times before on here.
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The irony.
Why doesn't Rice have any emotional connection to Ireland?All available evidence suggests he has. Unless, of course, he is a talented actor as well as a talented footballer.
I have no problem with Irish centres, how you have managed to mangle that from my posts is baffling. The reason I have mentioned them is I have drank in them, at times regularly, over here. They are not what they were before my time here. In many ways they are a relic of a time when being both Irish and English was incompatible, when second generation lads would have spent Sundays in these places as a child and had their first pint in them. They are dying out. I was in Nottingham last month, the last time I was there I drank in the huge Irish centre there, so I walked past and found it closed and empty. |
You were in Nottingham last month that's mad you're never off this thing. Beginning to think you got a bad beating in an Irish centre such is your dislike for them
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There you have it! The stupidest post on the stupidest thread on the internet. Take a bow. |
i think the stupidest post on the internet was someone saying they were leaving a forum for good and they were back within a month.
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That's the best you can do? A lame personal insult because of your inability to comprehend basic English! I can see how you got the name, Trigger!
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Posted: 15 Feb 2019 at 12:59pm |
pre Madonna wrote:
Trigboy 10 wrote:
pre Madonna wrote:
Trigboy 10 wrote:
pre Madonna wrote:
Trigboy 10 wrote:
pre Madonna wrote:
Trigboy 10 wrote:
pre Madonna wrote:
fochie wrote:
I can see both sides,what it boils down to is maybe International football isnt what it once was. The game has changed and with it the sentimental value of representing your country becoming more scarce.Its down to a matter of opinion of which imo KKs is the valid one.
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Football mirrors society. National identity has been changed or eroded, particularly in western Europe, for good or bad. See Brexit. More than that, many more people now have more than one identity. Rice has a clear emotional connection to two countries and when forced into making a choice, chose with his head. It is more than possible his heart was divided, everything points to that. Killer seems incapable of realising that not everybody grew up in a fully Irish family in Lancashire, totally immersed in Irish culture. The world has changed. Irish identity in England has changed. We are no longer feared or reviled, that job has been taken on by Muslims and the EU. Kids from Irish families aren't different. They don't spend Sundays being dragged to mass by Grandmothers and drinking Club Orange in Irish clubs and centres. Should I have kids here they will grow up with two identities, should they be good at sport they too will have a choice. I certainly wouldn't force them to do anything. That's what Declan Rice had to do. I admire Kilbane's passion and love for Ireland and the national team,but he has acute myopia in this instance. |
Rice clearly didn't grow up immersed in Irish culture |
Exactly. You are getting it,f**king slowly mind you! |
You're only picking out the bit that's suits you. Rice doesn't have any emotional connection to Ireland he only has a an emotional connection to England. Wonder what your problem is with Irish centres as you've mentioned them a good few times before on here.
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The irony.
Why doesn't Rice have any emotional connection to Ireland?All available evidence suggests he has. Unless, of course, he is a talented actor as well as a talented footballer.
I have no problem with Irish centres, how you have managed to mangle that from my posts is baffling. The reason I have mentioned them is I have drank in them, at times regularly, over here. They are not what they were before my time here. In many ways they are a relic of a time when being both Irish and English was incompatible, when second generation lads would have spent Sundays in these places as a child and had their first pint in them. They are dying out. I was in Nottingham last month, the last time I was there I drank in the huge Irish centre there, so I walked past and found it closed and empty. |
You were in Nottingham last month that's mad you're never off this thing. Beginning to think you got a bad beating in an Irish centre such is your dislike for them
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There you have it! The stupidest post on the stupidest thread on the internet. Take a bow. |
i think the stupidest post on the internet was someone saying they were leaving a forum for good and they were back within a month.
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That's the best you can do? A lame personal insult because of your inability to comprehend basic English! I can see how you got the name, Trigger! |
You started the insults but can't take one back.Now get off the forum like you said you were doing and stop annoying people. i reckon you've drove people away from the forum and that's why they don't come on here anymore.
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