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Originally posted by t_rAndy t_rAndy wrote:

Originally posted by lassassinblanc lassassinblanc wrote:

Originally posted by inlikeflynn inlikeflynn wrote:

Originally posted by lassassinblanc lassassinblanc wrote:

Obvious his family want him to play for Ireland

I would imagine that his brother feels less of an affinity to Ireland as he, presumably, was also born in England with an English sounding parent and went to English schools. The father on the other hand has Irish parents and would be more likely to promote Ireland.

I think the influence of the brother could be our undoing.


It's the influence of Rice's family that is giving him encouragement; the player's father Sean wants his son to stay put.

"You know where his father stands on this," said O'Neill. "And I also think the rest of the family, the brothers.


That's from when MON was manager, I'd imagine if Declan was brought up routing for Ireland so would his brothers have been  by their father


You have families where the dad and brothers are Liverpool but then one of the sons is Utd. Could also be the case in the Rice household.

I get the feeling that for Rice he is very proud to play for Ireland or England but it's the ambition to play with the best and compete with the best that is swaying his decision

And to be honest, you can't really blame him. I think only if you are like kilbane and heart is completely irish or you doubt you will get many caps at england would you pick ireland if you had a split allegiance. He could go on to win 50+ caps if he was to declare for England and he would back himself to do that


He's hardly going to bring an English loving "God Save The Queen" brother to a meeting with the Irish setup is he LOL

(Read brother voice as Gollum)

Mick : We want to build a Team around Declan

Brother: It's all lies, we do much betters with England yes yes we woulds
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You dont pick your country to win trophies. You pick your country to play for your country. If the chance to play in major comps and win a trophy or two comes your way then what a huge bonus that is. This saga and and the amount of lads fawning over him and making excuses is sickening. As Hoskins said, he decided to make himself unavailable at a ti e when we needed him most. I hope he never wears the green again, he can go and fuk right off.
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Originally posted by giveittochristie giveittochristie wrote:

Originally posted by Maccatacca Maccatacca wrote:

England won’t win f**k all. 

Golden generation my bollocks. Handy run in the World Cup and they’re suddenly going to win the lot? 

They’re nowhere near the likes of Germany, France or Spain in terms of young up and coming players. 

Now they might find themselves in the semis and quarters more often, but on paper this current England team is one of the weakest for years. 

They just happened to get a favorable draw in the World Cup.
They won both FIFA underage world cups last year (U17/U20).

The talent is definitely there. The issue is whether they get enough gametime in the PL to progress - but with players increasingly moving abroad this may not be such an issue.

The one place they lack a standout young player is in holding midfield. So its clear to see why Rice is tempted. Our best chance is either his family convinces him or he is too embarrassed to pick up three caps and then leaveLOL

Hmm. 

If the talent was there at underage level would some of it not already be in the senior squad? 

France could win whatever underage tournament they wanted if they allowed some of their young senior players to play for their underage age group. 
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Originally posted by Banjaxed Banjaxed wrote:

Originally posted by Bob Hoskins Bob Hoskins wrote:

And finally the penny is dropping that he is going to England for some on hereConfused. He was going to England the minute he decided he wasn't playing in the Nations League



I agree unfortunately.The last few months have just been one stage managed stunt for good PR when he inevitably switches.

Given the phrasing of his statement. "I will make decision soon"

Just make a decision now then. This is what has me convinced that this last few months has been been pure theatre. 
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yeah, ridiculous how much time he has been given to 'make his decision' anyway its likely to be for England and he will probably think the 3 caps for us will soften the blow
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Originally posted by Sham157 Sham157 wrote:

You dont pick your country to win trophies. You pick your country to play for your country. If the chance to play in major comps and win a trophy or two comes your way then what a huge bonus that is. This saga and and the amount of lads fawning over him and making excuses is sickening. As Hoskins said, he decided to make himself unavailable at a ti e when we needed him most. I hope he never wears the green again, he can go and fuk right off.

And what happens if you have links to, and are FIFA-eligible for, multiple nations? I agree this saga a pain in the hoop, but none of us here know Declan, his agent, his family etc. "You pick your country to play for your country" - says who? Is this a FIFA directive?
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Originally posted by daraghj82 daraghj82 wrote:

yeah, ridiculous how much time he has been given to 'make his decision' anyway its likely to be for England and he will probably think the 3 caps for us will soften the blow


makes it worse with 3 caps at least Jack Peter Grealish F**ked off early
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Originally posted by daveyc daveyc wrote:

Originally posted by daraghj82 daraghj82 wrote:

yeah, ridiculous how much time he has been given to 'make his decision' anyway its likely to be for England and he will probably think the 3 caps for us will soften the blow


makes it worse with 3 caps at least Jack Peter Grealish F**ked off early
This. If, and its still an IF, Rice ditches us, its an utterly shameful thing to do after 3 caps. Id wish him good luck if he had not represented the senior side. Grealish, while he came across as a knob, at least never wore the senior jersey
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That other thread with the Poll on who Rice will play for - Why is there not a "Couldn't care less" option ?
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Originally posted by Borussia Borussia wrote:

The lads that were saying that he was definitely staying with us - What say ye now !
If Deco goes, I go !!!!!!
 
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If he wants to win trophies why did he a sign a new contract with West ham? Surely his  new agent that was into his ear about switching to England  would have known there be interest from top 6 clubs in the premiership in him, and to be fair all the fuss and time spent on his new contract with West ham in the end it was nothing special,In my opinion the lad seems to be getting bad advice from every quarter,the only person or persons he should listen to or trust is his father and family .

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Originally posted by Green rebel Green rebel wrote:

If he wants to win trophies why did he a sign a new contract with West ham? Surely his  new agent that was into his ear about switching to England  would have known there be interest from top 6 clubs in the premiership in him, and to be fair his new contract with West ham is nothing special,In my opinion the lad seems to be getting bad advice from every quarter,the only person or persons he should listen to or trust is his father and family .

He signed a contract to get 40 grand a week so that if he signed for city in a year or 2, he could then command 100 grand a week. Contracts just means everyone wins...selling club can charge huge amount, players gets a bump in wages, agent gets a bump. Only losers financially are the buying club, but at least they get a class player.
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Originally posted by Borussia Borussia wrote:

That other thread with the Poll on who Rice will play for - Why is there not a "Couldn't care less" option ?

You're meant to click the back arrow or not click into the poll for that option. Clap  
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Regardless of his family background, he was born and raised in England. You'd imagine most of his friends are English as are those whom he works for. I wouldn't doubt that he is delighted to have Irish roots and that when he put on the shirt, he felt extremely proud. But he probably feels as much English as Irish and for that you can't blame him. There might have been a part of him that doubted he would ever get a call from them and when he was told that it was possible then the decision wasn't so easy. All speculation obviously but if he identifies as both 50/50 then it'll be England. And why not? As much as it pains me, they've better players, a better set-up, a brighter future and it will probably result in more money as well. 
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Originally posted by Borussia Borussia wrote:

Why bother trying to read anything into all of this ? Pointless exercise.

This.

Embarrassing the way some are acting on here on the back of that article.
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Originally posted by BrendanD88 BrendanD88 wrote:

Originally posted by Borussia Borussia wrote:

Why bother trying to read anything into all of this ? Pointless exercise.

This.

Embarrassing the way some are acting on here on the back of that article.

This is the best thread on the forum since Jose was sacked on the Unirah one went to sh1te. 
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Originally posted by skylarking skylarking wrote:

Originally posted by Sham157 Sham157 wrote:

You dont pick your country to win trophies. You pick your country to play for your country. If the chance to play in major comps and win a trophy or two comes your way then what a huge bonus that is. This saga and and the amount of lads fawning over him and making excuses is sickening. As Hoskins said, he decided to make himself unavailable at a ti e when we needed him most. I hope he never wears the green again, he can go and fuk right off.

And what happens if you have links to, and are FIFA-eligible for, multiple nations? I agree this saga a pain in the hoop, but none of us here know Declan, his agent, his family etc. "You pick your country to play for your country" - says who? Is this a FIFA directive?
yeah its a FIFA directive ffs... Says anybody with a bit of pride. Maybe some of you are happy enough that representing Ireland is treated this way, more power to you If it gets to the stage that players choose whoch nation to represent based on the chance of winning a trophy then its game over for international football. He knows well which nation he feels more aligned to, come out and say it and fuk off.
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Originally posted by Sham157 Sham157 wrote:

Originally posted by skylarking skylarking wrote:

Originally posted by Sham157 Sham157 wrote:

You dont pick your country to win trophies. You pick your country to play for your country. If the chance to play in major comps and win a trophy or two comes your way then what a huge bonus that is. This saga and and the amount of lads fawning over him and making excuses is sickening. As Hoskins said, he decided to make himself unavailable at a ti e when we needed him most. I hope he never wears the green again, he can go and fuk right off.

And what happens if you have links to, and are FIFA-eligible for, multiple nations? I agree this saga a pain in the hoop, but none of us here know Declan, his agent, his family etc. "You pick your country to play for your country" - says who? Is this a FIFA directive?
yeah its a FIFA directive ffs... Says anybody with a bit of pride. Maybe some of you are happy enough that representing Ireland is treated this way, more power to you If it gets to the stage that players choose whoch nation to represent based on the chance of winning a trophy then its game over for international football. He knows well which nation he feels more aligned to, come out and say it and fuk off.
Spot on Sham.  Clap
 
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