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http://www.football365.com/news/five-more-fringe-pl-players-who-made-good-cup-impressions
Declan gets a mention here.
 
Where was he born? (and don't answer a Paddy Field this time)
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Logically Rice should be called into the squad to train ahead of the games, let him stay at home for Georgia game and then let him come back to train in Dublin ahead of Serbia. Get him integrated into the squad and perhaps let him sit on the bench as an unnamed squad member.

Let him continue his development for the next few weeks / months and if he continues to impress then call him up for the Moldova game with a view to capping him.

He does appear to be a good prospect, but the transfer window isn't even closed yet and I'd say it's likely that West Ham will sign a new midfielder who will probably limit Rices game time.

At this stage of his career he's not going to win us the 6 points we need from these next two games.
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Originally posted by Adobolo Adobolo wrote:

Fair enough most people don't want Rice included in the Irish squad at the moment, rather wait until he has 5 years playing experience. I'm just of the opinion that you pick players on form and Declan is one of our top 3 preforming players in the premier league so far this season.
Would Portugal have won the Euros if they had waited for Renato Sanchez to play 100 games, they might have but he was their second best player in that tournament at 18 years of age with only 25 senior games.
Put Declan in the squad now.

It's two games into the seasonLOL

I hope for your wife's sake you don't always get this excited so early
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Originally posted by Adobolo Adobolo wrote:

Fair enough most people don't want Rice included in the Irish squad at the moment, rather wait until he has 5 years playing experience. I'm just of the opinion that you pick players on form and Declan is one of our top 3 preforming players in the premier league so far this season.
Would Portugal have won the Euros if they had waited for Renato Sanchez to play 100 games, they might have but he was their second best player in that tournament at 18 years of age with only 25 senior games.
Put Declan in the squad now.
 
Deco has 3! If it gets to the point that he has 25 senior games and is still performing then I have no doubt he will be called into the squad
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Originally posted by nvidic nvidic wrote:

Originally posted by Adobolo Adobolo wrote:

Fair enough most people don't want Rice included in the Irish squad at the moment, rather wait until he has 5 years playing experience. I'm just of the opinion that you pick players on form and Declan is one of our top 3 preforming players in the premier league so far this season.
Would Portugal have won the Euros if they had waited for Renato Sanchez to play 100 games, they might have but he was their second best player in that tournament at 18 years of age with only 25 senior games.
Put Declan in the squad now.

It's two games into the seasonLOL

I hope for your wife's sake you don't always get this excited so early

I rather pick someone who has been good THIS season rather than someone who has been good LAST season.
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Originally posted by nvidic nvidic wrote:

Originally posted by Adobolo Adobolo wrote:

Fair enough most people don't want Rice included in the Irish squad at the moment, rather wait until he has 5 years playing experience. I'm just of the opinion that you pick players on form and Declan is one of our top 3 preforming players in the premier league so far this season.
Would Portugal have won the Euros if they had waited for Renato Sanchez to play 100 games, they might have but he was their second best player in that tournament at 18 years of age with only 25 senior games.
Put Declan in the squad now.

It's two games into the seasonLOL

I hope for your wife's sake you don't always get this excited so early
How do you know adobolo is married (or even married to a woman) that is a very insensitive remark to make, cop yourself on
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Certainly sounds like a ball player our midfield desperately needs, if he's good enough he's old enough.

Rice was so impressive for his age that http://www.mirror.co.uk/s/footballews/declan-rice-scouting-re-west-11016557?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+co%2FNyiC+%28Mirror.co.uk+-+Home+-+S%29 -  the Mirror were full of praise for the former captain of West Ham U23s, highlighting maturity well beyond his years.

Almost instantly Rice, who played in a holding midfield role but his best position is centre-back, was bossing around his more experienced teammates, telling them where they should be, who to mark and who they should pass to.

And in the second half, as the Hammers chased an equaliser, it was the youngster showing maturity beyond his years and telling veteran Pablo Zabaleta not to rush a throw in with a 'calm down' gesture.

He was always checking over his shoulders, making sure he was aware of the dangers and passing options around him, and wasn't afraid to drop into high risk positions to demand the ball or be an extra body in defence.

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Well if the likes of Wales are calling up Ethan Ampadu to the full squad then there is no excuse why Rice can't get a call up to our 100 man provisional squad. 
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i'm not saying he is ready or not but in general we seem to wait too long to call up younger players. there is never a right time. if we do qualify its the old well were going with the plaers who qualified us speech. and then what. we wait again. if someone clearly has the ability then we should be calling them up in general. im not specifically talking about rice here. 
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Originally posted by grannyrule grannyrule wrote:

Well if the likes of Wales are calling up Ethan Ampadu to the full squad then there is no excuse why Rice can't get a call up to our 100 man provisional squad. 
Wales have also called up Tom Lockyer and Lee Evans from Bristol Rovers and Wigan Athletic. The reason they have called up Ampadu is as much to do with their lack of depth as it is his potential.
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Yep more to do with lack of depth in squad. While I slightly agree that is risky Rice won't be ahead of Duffy,Clark,Keogh, O'Shea or McCarthy,Whelan, Hendrick, Arter in defense/Midfield.

i know it was said the same about Grealish but I think Rice is committed to Irish cause


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Named in the U21 squad.
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Originally posted by johnvonp johnvonp wrote:

Named in the U21 squad.


Good but means nothing as a certain Jack was part of many u21 squads and then jumped ship
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Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Originally posted by grannyrule grannyrule wrote:

Well if the likes of Wales are calling up Ethan Ampadu to the full squad then there is no excuse why Rice can't get a call up to our 100 man provisional squad. 

Wales have also called up Tom Lockyer and Lee Evans from Bristol Rovers and Wigan Athletic. The reason they have called up Ampadu is as much to do with their lack of depth as it is his potential.


Lockyer is club captain at 22. Evans turned 23 only last month and, having suffered a series of injuries, has gone loan to Wigan from Wolves for some first team football. Both are arguably in the squad based on their 'potential'. Coleman could have called up the likes of Matthews, Vaughan and Crofts but chose not to do so. Collins has been omitted in the past.

Notwithstanding the small pool of players they have to choose from, It seems reasonably clear that since Toshack's time, Wales have a deliberate policy of bringing young players into their setup based on their 'potential'. They are also proactive in calling up young duel-qualified players, such as Woodburn, Wilson (both eligible to play for England) Gethin Jones (wanted by Australia) as well as Ampadu (only 16 and obviously also qualifies for Ireland). And it's an approach that appears to have borne fruit - Wales have gone from a bunch of also-rans to a side that reaches the semi-finals of major competitions.

If Rice were Welsh it seems fairly plain he would have been called up for these qualfiers. As probably would Cullen.

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Absolutely, well said NN.
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Ampadu was called up to the latest Welsh squad at the age of 16. He'll probably get a run out against Moldova
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England-Born Declan Rice In No Doubt As To Which Nation He Wishes To Play For:

https://www.balls.ie/football/west-ham-declan-rice-ireland-372205
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