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He’s got a rat-like nose and teeth 
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Originally posted by Roberto Baggio Roberto Baggio wrote:

I was right 

The big nose rat has spoken to him already 


Rat? Wtf? If it was the other way around people would be praising O'Neill for bringing talent on board. Southgate is just doing his job, and he's doing a great job with England. 
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i love the EIRE. So plucky yet ao talentless.
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I'd be more than happy if O'Neill were to get off his hole and recruit us (steal, like really?) some decent talent. I couldn't care less how many times they've played for another nation, as long as they aren't cap-tied they're fair game.
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it’s sneaky and ungentlemanly as I said on Monday, and I’d say the same if O’Neill went and stole a player off the north who’d played three senior friendlies for them 
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That's hardly unexpected, it's part of his job to stock as much talent as he can.
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Originally posted by Roberto Baggio Roberto Baggio wrote:

I would say the bait has been laid well before today's press conference. Would be surprised if big nose hadn't already spoken to Rice

I was right 

The big nose rat has spoken to him already 
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He's obviously counted himself out of this International break.....I reckon he'll need to decide either way by the next one which is little over a month away.....this is different to any other case, he has 3 full caps......a line needs to drawn under it if he does not make himself available in a month
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The opening line from John Giles' autobiography sums it up "I entered the game as a 17 year old boy, and I left it twenty years later as a 17 year old boy" 
(Might be 18, I don't have the quote to hand)
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Yes, I'd actually argue that given the precarious nature of a career in football, your average 19 year old footballer knows even less about themselves than a regular person. Couple this with the highly regimented lifestyle of daily training - when you are told where to be, what time to be there, and what to do - and you have a situation where thinking about yourself and your future is actively disincentivised.... All that matters is the next match.
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Originally posted by tetsujin1979 tetsujin1979 wrote:

They're 19, they only thing they don't know of how much they don't know. Same as every other 19 year old.

Ever read any of the interviews in programs, or magazines? The answer to the question "what would you be doing of you weren't paying football?" is usually "I dunno, maybe a PE teacher"

When you all what do you want to do in a year, at best you'll get "I wanna play football". None of them will answer you about what they're going to do when they retire in 15 years, none of them will give you an answer about what happens if they get injured, or lose form, none of them will give you an answer about what they're doing with their money, other than buying cars and clothes.




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They're 19, they only thing they don't know is how much they don't know. Same as every other 19 year old.

Ever read any of the interviews in programs, or magazines? The answer to the question "what would you be doing of you weren't paying football?" is usually "I dunno, maybe a PE teacher"

When you all what do you want to do in a year, at best you'll get "I wanna play football". None of them will answer you about what they're going to do when they retire in 15 years, none of them will give you an answer about what happens if they get injured, or lose form, none of them will give you an answer about what they're doing with their money, other than buying cars and clothes.





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Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

Originally posted by Dugs Dugs wrote:

if i hear hes only 19 one more time i will fcking explode. Exactly hes 19 not ten. If you dont know your own mind at 19 you never will. Thats a bullsh*t argument.

Most 19 year olds don't "know their own mind" though, do they? You ask our average 19 year old what their plans for they're life are and they'll tell you they haven't a clue. Most couldn't tell you what the next 6 months holds let alone their distant future, they're still learning day by day.

He's not your average 19 year old, that's the point. 

He was to flying around Europe at 16 to play underage international football for Ireland. Yeah, that sounds like your average teenager's life alright

His adult life has been accelerated given his career. Don't use the 19 year old as an excuse. It's a cop out. 

Incidentally, ask most 19 year old footballers their plans for the foreseeable future, and I'm sure you'll get a pretty solid answer.
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Originally posted by Dugs Dugs wrote:

if i hear hes only 19 one more time i will fcking explode. Exactly hes 19 not ten. If you dont know your own mind at 19 you never will. Thats a bullsh*t argument.

Well the argument *is* a valid one. He is still an underage player and would be eligible for the under 21s for another year or two. A 26 year old prevaricating like this would be given much less leeway by an international manager.

He needs to put this to bed immediately though. He's not an uncapped player, he's a full international who refused to make himself available for a competitive match. If he refuses a call up for October, then he is surely out of the team for good.
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Originally posted by Dugs Dugs wrote:

if i hear hes only 19 one more time i will fcking explode. Exactly hes 19 not ten. If you dont know your own mind at 19 you never will. Thats a bullsh*t argument.

Most 19 year olds don't "know their own mind" though, do they? You ask our average 19 year old what their plans for they're life are and they'll tell you they haven't a clue. Most couldn't tell you what the next 6 months holds let alone their distant future, they're still learning day by day.
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Originally posted by Strazdas Strazdas wrote:

Originally posted by Trigboy 10 Trigboy 10 wrote:

Originally posted by Hans Moleman Hans Moleman wrote:

Interesting last few comments there. People seem to have fixated on the choice Rice has to make, as if Ireland or the manager have no role whatsoever in this situation. As badly off as we are, any player who refuses a call up shouldn't be selected again. I'm very surprised that hasn't been the hard line taken by everyone on this. Manager and fans alike.

I know it could well be a tough decision for Rice personally. He could well love playing for Ireland and has just had his head turned (and may decide to carry on playing with us, even though I doubt there's any real chance of that). Ireland and MON might badly need him in terms of having a quality player to choose from given the current weakness of our squad. All of these could be valid statements, but they should not matter a lot in the context of this situation. Any player refusing a call up should never be considered again. I actually think we are disgracing ourselves waiting for a decision on this. Much as we did with Grealish to a lesser extent. The decision should be well and truly taken out of a players hand the minute a call up is refused for spurious reasons.
We mightn't agree on Glen Whelan but 100% agree with you here! Even listening on radio today to pundits saying give him time to make his choice he might come back to us yet as you say he shouldn't be called up again it's making a mockery of us! Grealish actually looks honourable now 

I can live with a player having a wobble (he could argue that his head was muddled for a couple of weeks) but Rice really needs to set the record straight very quickly. He is a current senior Irish international who the manager wants to pick, he needs to inform MON within a week or two of what he intends to do.

If he's planning on taking a few months, then he has no future with Ireland anyway. I would make allowances for the fact that he is only 19, even though the current situation is very unfortunate and I think he has been very badly advised by whatever clowns he is in contact with.

Well of course we'd think he's been badly advised, we want him in our starting lineup. From his sides POV, there's no real downside to this. If England take him, he'll have increased his career earnings at the stroke of a pen, and if he opts to stick with us he'll walk straight back into our team. From a non-Irish perspective, you could probably call his actions rational.
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if i hear hes only 19 one more time i will fcking explode. Exactly hes 19 not ten. If you dont know your own mind at 19 you never will. Thats a bullsh*t argument.
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Originally posted by Trigboy 10 Trigboy 10 wrote:

Originally posted by Hans Moleman Hans Moleman wrote:

Interesting last few comments there. People seem to have fixated on the choice Rice has to make, as if Ireland or the manager have no role whatsoever in this situation. As badly off as we are, any player who refuses a call up shouldn't be selected again. I'm very surprised that hasn't been the hard line taken by everyone on this. Manager and fans alike.

I know it could well be a tough decision for Rice personally. He could well love playing for Ireland and has just had his head turned (and may decide to carry on playing with us, even though I doubt there's any real chance of that). Ireland and MON might badly need him in terms of having a quality player to choose from given the current weakness of our squad. All of these could be valid statements, but they should not matter a lot in the context of this situation. Any player refusing a call up should never be considered again. I actually think we are disgracing ourselves waiting for a decision on this. Much as we did with Grealish to a lesser extent. The decision should be well and truly taken out of a players hand the minute a call up is refused for spurious reasons.
We mightn't agree on Glen Whelan but 100% agree with you here! Even listening on radio today to pundits saying give him time to make his choice he might come back to us yet as you say he shouldn't be called up again it's making a mockery of us! Grealish actually looks honourable now 

I can live with a player having a wobble (he could argue that his head was muddled for a couple of weeks) but Rice really needs to set the record straight very quickly. He is a current senior Irish international who the manager wants to pick, he needs to inform MON within a week or two of what he intends to do.

If he's planning on taking a few months, then he has no future with Ireland anyway. I would make allowances for the fact that he is only 19, even though the current situation is very unfortunate and I think he has been very badly advised by whatever clowns he is in contact with.
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