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Originally posted by Roberto Baggio Roberto Baggio wrote:

Shearer started to talk some bollocks about it not being deliberate at half time. As if that matters. 
Eh yes it does matter actually, it matters a lot according to FIFA Laws of the Game 2015/16 ;
 
Handling the ball involves a deliberate act of a player making contact with

the ball with his hand or arm. The referee must take the following into

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• the movement of the hand towards the ball (not the ball towards the hand)

• the distance between the opponent and the ball (unexpected ball)

• the position of the hand does not necessarily mean that there is an

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• touching the ball with an object held in the hand (clothing, shinguard, etc.)

counts as an infringement

• hitting the ball with a thrown object (boot, shinguard, etc.) counts as an

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Originally posted by Gary McKay Gary McKay wrote:

• the movement of the hand towards the ball (not the ball towards the hand)

• the distance between the opponent and the ball (unexpected ball)

 
Both of these clearly applied in the incident last night.
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The majority of penaltys given for handball (which are widely agreed are the correct decisions) the defenders don't go and deliberately handle the ball.
In fact I've seen very few incidents, other than defenders punching it off the line, where its clear that the handball is deliberate.
 
Boateng on Saturday night for example. Clear penalty. Deliberate? No. When the corner was coming in he hardly thought to himself, sure I may as well handle this.
It wasn't deliberate but it was definitely a penalty, as with Schweinsteigers last night.
 
Bringing up the "was it deliberate" argument is totally pointless in my opinion.
 


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http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/euro-2016/sore-losers-joachim-low-and-mats-hummels-dont-want-the-likes-of-ireland-competing-at-euros-34867131.html
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You have to wonder do newspaper editors read the articles at all? I thought there was going to be a sly dig at ourselves with team names! Alas no, just a generic dig at the format and some of their opponents. If there was a dig at anyone it was the pub team.
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Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

You have to wonder do newspaper editors read the articles at all? I thought there was going to be a sly dig at ourselves with team names! Alas no, just a generic dig at the format and some of their opponents. If there was a dig at anyone it was the pub team.


It's what I took from it it anyway


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Originally posted by Roberto Baggio Roberto Baggio wrote:

The majority of penaltys given for handball (which are widely agreed are the correct decisions) the defenders don't go and deliberately handle the ball.
In fact I've seen very few incidents, other than defenders punching it off the line, where its clear that the handball is deliberate.
 
Boateng on Saturday night for example. Clear penalty. Deliberate? No. When the corner was coming in he hardly thought to himself, sure I may as well handle this.
It wasn't deliberate but it was definitely a penalty, as with Schweinsteigers last night.
 
Bringing up the "was it deliberate" argument is totally pointless in my opinion.
No it is not.
You said Shearer was talking bollix but the Laws of the Game state that he wasnt.
A foul in the game must be intentional.
 
Boeteng could walk around with his arms in air for 90 minutes and if the ball hits them it is NOT deliberate and the Ref would be correct in NOT awarding a penalty. I agree that this would never happen as 99% of Refs would give a penalty.
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So do you think the Boateng penalty last week was the correct decision?
Do you think the handball was deliberate?
 
 
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Originally posted by Roberto Baggio Roberto Baggio wrote:

So do you think the Boateng penalty last week was the correct decision?
Do you think the handball was deliberate?
Yes and Yes.
 
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Cant agree there.
Theres no way Boateng purposely handled that ball. Sure why would he do that
 
The word deliberate shouldn't be included in the rulebook about penaltys in my opinion.
 
 
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Originally posted by Gary McKay Gary McKay wrote:

A foul in the game must be intentional.
 

Genuine question: By the letter of the law, if the last man (defender) takes down a striker who would be otherwise through on goal with a clumsy challenge where he intended to get the ball but didn't, is this not a foul and a red card? 
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MC Hammered and Baggio are right - not many fouls are intentional. The likes of Suarez in 2010 or Duffy taking out Greizmann in on goal during this Euros clearly were, but most fouls are mistimed tackles or overzealous barging etc.
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Originally posted by MC Hammered MC Hammered wrote:

Originally posted by Gary McKay Gary McKay wrote:

A foul in the game must be intentional.
Genuine question: By the letter of the law, if the last man (defender) takes down a striker who would be otherwise through on goal with a clumsy challenge where he intended to get the ball but didn't, is this not a foul and a red card? 
It's deemed 'careless' !!!!
 
The Law states ;

If an offence involves contact it is penalised by a direct free kick or penalty

kick ;Careless is when a player shows a lack of attention or consideration when

making a challenge or acts without precaution. No disciplinary sanction is

needed.

So if it is not intentional (but carelss) then it is still a foul but no caution is necessary.

 
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Originally posted by Devrozex Devrozex wrote:

MC Hammered and Baggio are right - not many fouls are intentional
I disagree 100%.
 
Think Paul Scholes - serial fouler.
 
"when I've had to make a tackle, I've already made a mistake" - Paolo Maldini.
 
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Originally posted by Gary McKay Gary McKay wrote:

Originally posted by Devrozex Devrozex wrote:

MC Hammered and Baggio are right - not many fouls are intentional

I disagree 100%.
 
Think Paul Scholes - serial fouler.
 
"when I've had to make a tackle, I've already made a mistake" - Paolo Maldini.
 


Fair play for producing the actual script Gaz.

It very open to interpretation isn't it. By that rational, going by the letter of the law, if the ref though Shane Duffy hadn't intended to take Griezmann down, it would have been a free and no red card?

Edit: I meant to quote the earlier post with the fouling rule included

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