Scott Hogan

Territorial wrote: Luis Amor Rodriguez wrote: Duffy played for Foyle Harps in the IFA's jurisdiction when he started playing for NI underage.  As such, he didn't have an option to play for ROI. Nonsense. Duffy's father is from Donegal. According to said father, he had already attended an ROI Youth Training Camp. And he was entirely eligible to play for ROI's underage teams long before he eventually switched. The sole reason he didn't was because he was getting exposure to international football at a high level (U-21, "B" and even "A" international friendlies) with Northern Ireland FAR sooner than he would have had he been in the ROI set-up. Which is why he delayed switching until Brady spoke to him, and offered him a place in an ROI Senior Training Camp in the next couple of months. You and others can say all you like about my motives etc, but those are the facts.

Strazdas wrote: Territorial wrote: Strazdas wrote: I would think [Hogan] has a lot to lose by fobbing off Martin O'Neill. It's unlikely O'Neill will call him again if the answer is 'no' in autumn 2016. Hogan is 24, O'Neill is 64. He will still be playing football after (long after?) MO'N has ceased to be ROI manager. And he could use the time spent waiting for MO'N to move on to assess how his chances with England are going. Especially when ROI's current striking options are the wrong side of 30, bar Long, who reaches that age in January. (I don't want to use the phrase "Beggars can't be Choosers". So I won't     ) I'm still struggling to think of any Anglo who fobbed off an approach by the ROI and who eventually ended up playing for them. Refusing an international call up to a World Cup squad is a pretty big deal and it's unlikely the same country will come calling again.

Luis Amor Rodriguez wrote: Territorial:  everybody born in Northern Ireland is technically eligible for ROI.   However Foyle Harps is in the IFA's jurisdiction, and as such, he wasn't selected, or even considered, by ROI at underage level when he played U16 ad U17 for NI.

Where are you getting this Foyle Harps/jurisdiction idea from?

Might it be that you are confusing it with Schoolboys football, whereby you must represent the Schools FA in the jurisdiction where you go to school, not the one where you were born? [See eg Ryan Giggs, Andrew Driver or Chris Curran]. In which case, you are probably referring to Duffy's appearance in the Victory Shield (i.e. Schools FA football), when Duffy was still only 15.

Meanwhile, he joined Everton when he was 16, so this "Foyle Harps/having to play for NI due to jurisdiction" business really doesn't, indeed cannot, come into it.

Luis Amor Rodriguez wrote: You do raise one good point though.  Perhaps the FAI should be sending scouts to youth games in the six counties to try identify eligible talent at a younger age.  That they don't already would seem to be some gentleman's agreement they have to appease the IFA.

The FAI is already all over youth football in NI, and has been for years. So that just about every NI representative game, plus tournaments like the Milk and Foyle Cups etc, have FAI scouts at them.

To give one example from a few years back, an Australian Schools team was on a tour of the UK. They had a match arranged against their NI counterparts for Belfast. On the morning of the game, due to bad overnight weather, it had to be hastily switched to Fermanagh. But despite this, and the fact it was an afternoon/midweek game, two FAI scouts were seen in attendance.

And I have it on the soundest of authority that the FAI are also offering inducements to the parents and families of promising young players to get them to switch eg taking them out to dinners etc, where doubtless all sorts of promises get made.

And as for your final point, you need to be dealing with Gentlemen in order to secure a Gentlemens' Agreement with them...

SByrne24 wrote: There is only one reason why Hogan isn't playing for us, its his injury history. It's his first 3 months of playing regular football in a few seasons he needs to learn to manage his injuries now and stay fit.  Give the fella a break, I fully expect him to declare Ireland, England won't be an option. They've an endless line of strikers even in the Championship there is a number that could play for England last year Afobe banged them in he had played all his youth career for England and now plays for Congo. In the PL Troy Deeny cant get a call up, nor can Carroll never mind Callum Wilson. It's upto Martin O'Neill now to tie the fella down after Christmas, we've a serious goal scoring threat on our hands here. The same ****s moaning that he's turned his nose up, sent a number of messages to Arter when Merson said he could play for England, we should be delighted to have Scott Hogan I don't care if he was born in Azerbaijan no he mightnt feel irish, but in time when he gets to see our country meet our people, score vital goals.. he may just a part of it and that'll do it for me.  What Hogan actually said pre Euro 2016 was he would basically be honoured, one of his idols was Keane, sent Roy Keane to have a chat with the man.

SByrne24 wrote: MON hasn't met the chap yet face to face let's calm down. We need our fans welcoming the likes of Scott Hogan, not moaning he hasn't committed fully yet, firstly he wants a football career he has to be careful once he feels he is in the clear then yes. Hogan will play for Ireland i'd be fairly shocked if he didn't , he already carries an Irish passport.

So does Ian Paisley JR.

Wasn't he selected for the Under 21s and pulled out through injury? That would suggest he has an Irish passport.

SByrne24 wrote: Strazdas wrote: SByrne24 wrote: There is only one reason why Hogan isn't playing for us, its his injury history. It's his first 3 months of playing regular football in a few seasons he needs to learn to manage his injuries now and stay fit.  Give the fella a break, I fully expect him to declare Ireland, England won't be an option. They've an endless line of strikers even in the Championship there is a number that could play for England last year Afobe banged them in he had played all his youth career for England and now plays for Congo. In the PL Troy Deeny cant get a call up, nor can Carroll never mind Callum Wilson. It's upto Martin O'Neill now to tie the fella down after Christmas, we've a serious goal scoring threat on our hands here. The same ****s moaning that he's turned his nose up, sent a number of messages to Arter when Merson said he could play for England, we should be delighted to have Scott Hogan I don't care if he was born in Azerbaijan no he mightnt feel irish, but in time when he gets to see our country meet our people, score vital goals.. he may just a part of it and that'll do it for me.  What Hogan actually said pre Euro 2016 was he would basically be honoured, one of his idols was Keane, sent Roy Keane to have a chat with the man.  If Hogan merely has fitness concerns, he could give O'Neill a verbal commitment that he wants to play for the Republic in future and be a part of the squad. Giving him no answer at all though or saying "Let's see how the land lies in six or nine months' time" would not be acceptable. Either he's interested in playing for Ireland or he isn't. MON hasn't met the chap yet face to face let's calm down. We need our fans welcoming the likes of Scott Hogan, not moaning he hasn't committed fully yet, firstly he wants a football career he has to be careful once he feels he is in the clear then yes. Hogan will play for Ireland i'd be fairly shocked if he didn't , he already carries an Irish passport.

pulls one back against newcastle, in other news water is wet

Strazdas wrote: SByrne24 wrote: Strazdas wrote: SByrne24 wrote: There is only one reason why Hogan isn't playing for us, its his injury history. It's his first 3 months of playing regular football in a few seasons he needs to learn to manage his injuries now and stay fit.  Give the fella a break, I fully expect him to declare Ireland, England won't be an option. They've an endless line of strikers even in the Championship there is a number that could play for England last year Afobe banged them in he had played all his youth career for England and now plays for Congo. In the PL Troy Deeny cant get a call up, nor can Carroll never mind Callum Wilson. It's upto Martin O'Neill now to tie the fella down after Christmas, we've a serious goal scoring threat on our hands here. The same ****s moaning that he's turned his nose up, sent a number of messages to Arter when Merson said he could play for England, we should be delighted to have Scott Hogan I don't care if he was born in Azerbaijan no he mightnt feel irish, but in time when he gets to see our country meet our people, score vital goals.. he may just a part of it and that'll do it for me.  What Hogan actually said pre Euro 2016 was he would basically be honoured, one of his idols was Keane, sent Roy Keane to have a chat with the man.  If Hogan merely has fitness concerns, he could give O'Neill a verbal commitment that he wants to play for the Republic in future and be a part of the squad. Giving him no answer at all though or saying "Let's see how the land lies in six or nine months' time" would not be acceptable. Either he's interested in playing for Ireland or he isn't. MON hasn't met the chap yet face to face let's calm down. We need our fans welcoming the likes of Scott Hogan, not moaning he hasn't committed fully yet, firstly he wants a football career he has to be careful once he feels he is in the clear then yes. Hogan will play for Ireland i'd be fairly shocked if he didn't , he already carries an Irish passport.  Yes, and the latest reports saying he intends delaying a decision could be inaccurate so let's wait and see. But if he meets MON and gives him no sort of commitment to playing for Ireland, I'd say it's very unlikely O'Neill will come calling again. "I'm concentrating on my fitness and my club career for the moment" is not really an acceptable answer to give to an international manager who is trying to call you up for a World Cup squad.